Truly tragic. My heart goes out to that family.
I do not want to sound cold and heartless because I'm not. It must be devastating to loose a family member, husband, dad, or friend in a senseless violent act.Years ago, I rked security for a company that had the contract for Sapp Bros. I was there a few months ago getting gas and saw their in house security.... They WERE NOT Armed.... I couldn't believe it. I was there with mine under my shirt but I was jus so surprised that they were not armed. With all the traffic that comes through there and your not sure what their (Peoples) past is.... I was just surprised.
Having worked in the security field as both a guard and a supervisor I can tell you that unarmed security is nothing more than a customer service rep. and is nothing more than a deterrent for crime. I have even seen unarmed guards working at banks, and refilling ATM’s.knayrb said:I do not want to sound cold and heartless because I'm not. It must be devastating to loose a family member, husband, dad, or friend in a senseless violent act.Years ago, I rked security for a company that had the contract for Sapp Bros. I was there a few months ago getting gas and saw their in house security.... They WERE NOT Armed.... I couldn't believe it. I was there with mine under my shirt but I was jus so surprised that they were not armed. With all the traffic that comes through there and your not sure what their (Peoples) past is.... I was just surprised.
I have to wonder what the difference is between an unarmed security guard and a receptionist. Both can see there is trouble, ask someone to leave, and call the cops. Neither can defuse a situation with a deadly weapon unless the unarmed guard is a martial arts expert and isn't facing a gun from beyond his reach.
An Un-Armed guard was seen at the Layton Hills Mall on Sat. shoveling snow. I believe the on who saw her.xmirage2kx said:Having worked in the security field as both a guard and a supervisor I can tell you that unarmed security is nothing more than a customer service rep. and is nothing more than a deterrent for crime. I have even seen unarmed guards working at banks, and refilling ATM’s.knayrb said:I do not want to sound cold and heartless because I'm not. It must be devastating to loose a family member, husband, dad, or friend in a senseless violent act.Years ago, I rked security for a company that had the contract for Sapp Bros. I was there a few months ago getting gas and saw their in house security.... They WERE NOT Armed.... I couldn't believe it. I was there with mine under my shirt but I was jus so surprised that they were not armed. With all the traffic that comes through there and your not sure what their (Peoples) past is.... I was just surprised.
I have to wonder what the difference is between an unarmed security guard and a receptionist. Both can see there is trouble, ask someone to leave, and call the cops. Neither can defuse a situation with a deadly weapon unless the unarmed guard is a martial arts expert and isn't facing a gun from beyond his reach.
For a little over five years, my son worked as a security guard handling lots of money in and out of ATM's (he's a Federal Security Officer now). We would see him probably every week, and he'd often have a new story or two about how someone would be getting too close and he'd politely ask them to move back, and they'd JUST KEEP A-COMIN'!xmirage2kx said:Having worked in the security field as both a guard and a supervisor I can tell you that unarmed security is nothing more than a customer service rep. and is nothing more than a deterrent for crime. I have even seen unarmed guards working at banks, and refilling ATM’s.knayrb said:I have to wonder what the difference is between an unarmed security guard and a receptionist. Both can see there is trouble, ask someone to leave, and call the cops. Neither can defuse a situation with a deadly weapon unless the unarmed guard is a martial arts expert and isn't facing a gun from beyond his reach.
Since I got my CFP over 2 years ago, I find myself in condition 'yellow' quite a bit more. Having the pressure of that firearm on my hip has truly opened my eyes to situations where I need to be more careful. I'm constantly aware of the people that are around me and their position to my strong side. I even find myself guarding that strong side by pressing my forearm against my holster. I suppose I do it for retention purposes, but it's almost a subconscious maneuver on my part.UtahRSO said:His experiences have been a real eye-opener for me, and have helped me to stay in yellow more than I otherwise might.
Simple:Strategic Tactical said:I have never really figured out why companies decide to go with UN-armed guards.
The U of U has no right to deny any of its employees from carrying a gun (if they have a CWP). So why the frustration? Just carry concealed.Cinhil said:Jeff said;
For a company to have a policy that prohibits self-defense even by their security guards, who have to deal with questionable characters every day, is unconscionable.
I agree whole heartedly! I know many of the security personnel from the U of U and every one of them is extremely frustrated by this insane intolerableness which the U of U incorporates. They are lucky if they can carry a can of mace.:evil:
I would like to know the same thing. Do you have anything to back this up? Is this from personal knowledge, e.g. did you personally know and interact with Vern?tapehoser said:How do you know all of that?