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Counselors' heroism foils terror attack in Gush Etzion seminary high schoolCounselors' heroism foils terror attack in Gush Etzion seminary high school
By Israel Insider staff January 25, 2008
In Gush Etzion, southeast of Jerusalem, two Palestinian gunmen wearing IDF uniforms burst into the Makor Haim yeshiva high school. Wielding guns and knives, they lightly injured two Israeli counselors before being shot dead.
The terrorists infiltrated Makor Haim, a kibbutz, sneaking into the main building of its high school seminary, run by world-renowned Talmudist, Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz. The terrorists entered a library room where seven of the boarding school's counselors were meeting. Dressed as security guards, and armed with a knife and what appeared to be a gun -- it later turned out to be a toy -- ordered the seven to line up on one side of the room. A counselor, realizing they were terrorists, drew his personal firearm and opened fire. Another grabbed the fake gun from the other terrorist, wrestled him to the floor, while the first counselor shot him. The terrorists managed to stab two of the counselors before falling dead.
At the same time, the Beit Medrash (study hall) -- adjacent to the library -- was packed with students taking part in the weekly Thursday night "mishmar" all-night Torah study session, Israel National News reported.
An army official praised the quick response of the students and their counselors. "This could have ended much worse," a source in the Central Command said.
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Gunman Stayed at Hotel Before Rampage
By ASHLEY M. HEHER and CARYN ROUSSEAU
Saturday, February 16, 2008
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On Feb. 9, Kazmierczak walked into a Champaign gun store and picked up two guns _ a Remington shotgun and a Glock 9mm handgun. He bought the two other handguns at the same shop _ a Hi-Point .380 on Dec. 30 and a Sig Sauer on Aug. 6.
All four guns were bought legally from a federally licensed firearms dealer, said Thomas Ahern, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. At least one criminal background check was performed _ Kazmierczak had no criminal record.
Kazmierczak had a State Police-issued FOID, or firearms owners identification card, which is required in Illinois to own a gun, authorities said. Such cards are rarely issued to those with recent mental health problems.
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This was a sad situation, and now hearing he had a FOID card, which might be like a CFP here in UT, is not looking good for us good guys, in a very small way.Jeff Johnson said:I found an article in which it states that the killer had an Illinois FOID card (Firearm Owner ID) and bought the guns legally.
Gunman Stayed at Hotel Before Rampage
By ASHLEY M. HEHER and CARYN ROUSSEAU
Saturday, February 16, 2008
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On Feb. 9, Kazmierczak walked into a Champaign gun store and picked up two guns _ a Remington shotgun and a Glock 9mm handgun. He bought the two other handguns at the same shop _ a Hi-Point .380 on Dec. 30 and a Sig Sauer on Aug. 6.
All four guns were bought legally from a federally licensed firearms dealer, said Thomas Ahern, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. At least one criminal background check was performed _ Kazmierczak had no criminal record.
Kazmierczak had a State Police-issued FOID, or firearms owners identification card, which is required in Illinois to own a gun, authorities said. Such cards are rarely issued to those with recent mental health problems.
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I had a good friend, a great guy, wonderful wife and family, faithful religious man. But he was becoming frustrated because he was developing some strange health problems that sapped his strength, and the doctor couldn't find the reason. The doctor put him on Prozac to help with the depressed feelings he had.Ruger Collector said:I stumbled onto an interesting website today, which makes me wonder if his treatment wasn't more dangerous than the depression.
I have to disagree. I know several people who have benefited tremendously from these drugs, including a couple whose lives were almost certainly saved by anti-depressants. The drugs are perhaps prescribed a little too freely, but clinical depression is a real medical problem with a genetic basis, and I firmly believe that anti-depressants save a hundred lives for every sad story like this. The difference is that the sad stories get more press and more attention -- much like firearm self-defense stories.Cinhil said:If you know anyone on anything like these the time to get them off of them is yesterday.
It's a game of Russian Roulette. I have a family member who is bi-polar, some medications help her immensely, others have been pumped out of her in the ER. The shrinks and therapists have tried just about everything on her and various combinations of drugs, it took over 10 years for them to stumble onto an effective combination.swillden said:I have to disagree. I know several people who have benefited tremendously from these drugs, including a couple whose lives were almost certainly saved by anti-depressants.
It sounds like our experiences are very different. My only other comment is that the clinical statistics support my position.Ruger Collector said:It's a game of Russian Roulette.
I liked his take on it. Although it was full of too much common sense for the anti's to understand it.GeneticsDave said: