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We have a .45 and a 9 written for the Springfield but not the .40 so here is my review.

Model: Springfield Xtreme Duty .40S&W 4" Service
Purchased at: Gunnies in Orem (http://www.gunnies.com)
Purchase date: Wednesday, 21 May 2008

Why?
I was originally looking at the Glock 23 .40S&W because I'm a fan of .40S&W. I don't like 9mm because in my opinion they are pee-shooters. Yes, they do damage and will drop someone, but I've also heard the opposite of a 9mm being used against a pit-bull and it didn't drop the dog. .45ACP is just too much. So for me the .40S&W is good middle ground. I went to Gunnies in Orem and was looking at the Glock 23. I talked to the guys behind the counter and asked them their opinion. They pulled out the Springfield XD .40S&W 4" Service. Just the look of it made me want it. Now style doesn't really matter in a gun fight but if I say the XD to the Glock, I'd be more afraid of the XD personally. The feel of the weapon is also comfortable and I like the heavier slide, helping with the muzzle being dropped back down after firing. The additional safety and chamber loaded indicator is also a big plus for those with a family or when you might get in trouble with a store manager or law enforcement officer.

The Test
The golden rule is to shoot it before you buy it. Well, I went down to Range Masters of Utah LC in Springville. They didn't have the 4" Service so I went with the 3" Sub-Compact. I put about 75 rounds through it. I then traded that for the Glock 23. Now I had never fired the XD but I had the Glock, so I was more familiar with the Glock. My rounds with the XD were a little more spread out where as the Glock were closer together. But I liked how the XD dropped faster back to its original position after firing because of the heavier barrel though between the Glock and XD there wasn't a whole lot of weight difference. So in my book they were evenly matched during that test period.

The Debate
I took my Concealed Firearms Permit course and submitted my paperwork, the waiting period began. I continued to research out both the Glock 23 and the SA-XD40 by going by Gunnies in Orem. I talked to them as much as possible and asking the different questions. I tried to see how it felt in the hand, sighting across the store, magazine capacity, etc. Back and forth I went. I interviewed with a security firm for armed security. The owner is a law enforcement officer and we ended up talking about guns a little. He recommended getting the Glock since it was what most departments issued. Coming back to mind was an interview I had with an FBI agent out of the Provo FBI Branch. He recommended not getting a Glock 22 or similar because the likelihood was that your department would issue you a sidearm and you'd have two of the same weapon. So I continued to think after the interview with the security firm and went back to Gunnies afterwards and continued my debate. I tried both of them again at the store in feel, sighting, weight, safety, etc. The FBI agent won. If my department that hires me on when I go to become a LEO then I won't want two of the same gun. I interviewed on Monday and bought my brand-new Springfield Xtreme-Duty .40S&W 4" Service model from Gunnies in Orem.

Safety
As a husband and future father the safety of my family comes first and foremost. "Do what you want to me, but leave my loved ones alone," is what I think of most of the time. So in having a weapon in the home I want it to be the safest possible. The Springfield XD models offer that extra safety. The XD has two safeties to Glock's one. The safeties are located on the back of the handle and on the trigger as shown here:

Handle Safety


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I like the double because you need a firm grip on the handle or else the it won't fire even if the trigger is pulled. I have done this is dry fire and have "felt" the difference through the trigger, not being pull the same. Hard to explain, but basically the trigger will not pull all the way back to fire. But also I have noticed with myself as I go to re-holster I have to move my thumb away from the firearm, partly letting up on the handle safety. So, in theory, if my finger is still on the trigger and I goto re-holster it is possible that I don't have enough tension on the handle safety that the weapon won't mis-fire and hit me in the leg or something like that. This might be different from person to person, but that is what I noticed with myself. The extra safety on the handle is nice because children might get to the gun and because they won't have a firm grip on the back of the weapon it will not discharge. Safety is first, so keep firearms out of reach of children.

Chambered Round Indicators
Something the Springfield XD has that Glocks do not is a chambered round indicators: 1) Loaded Chamber Indicator and 2) Striker Status Indicator.

1) Loaded Chamber Indicator: This is located right behind where the round will exit when fired or cocked. It will be down when empty and up when there is a round in the chamber, making it easy to show someone whether or not the weapon is loaded or unloaded without having to remove it from the holster.

Unloaded


Loaded


(I apologize that not all pictures are very clear.)

2) Strike Status Indicator: This is located at the back end of the slide. "When the gun is cocked, the pin will protrude out of the slide" (Springfield XD Owner's Manual). This is to tell you the weapon has been cocked and the striker (firing pin) is ready to drop with a pull of the trigger.

Not Cocked


Cocked


(Again, I apologize for the pictures.)

PLEASE NOTE that you could have weapon cocked but no round in the chamber. The striker pin might be out but the chamber indicator not up. Useful for dry fire exercises and what not. But, again, the strike indicator might be "hot" and the chambered indicator might be "cold." Always, always, always check!!!

Disassemble
I believe that in watching a YouTube video in cleaning the Springfield XD and then looking at both the Glock and XD on the way they are taken apart the XD is much more friendly. Just personally opinion.

Shooting
As I'm a intimidated shooter I do not know everything about shooting except that I really like to shoot up the left side of the target. This is due to stance and still trying to find the front sight and dominate eye practices. I can say that I like the XD-40 to the Glock because of trigger pull and reloading. The draw back right now is I've fired Glocks that have had thousands of rounds through them and my XD has had only about 100 or so, it is still stiff in many ways. I'll post more on the shooting when I can go and put a thousand rounds through it. I must say that I believe going from the first 8 pound pull to a 3 pound pull seems easier on the XD then the Glock. I was able to do some double taps that were quite nice, though I'm still working on that as well. Overall shooting I prefer the XD to the Glock. The big thing I like is the heavier slide that helps drop the gun back down faster, using gravity to achieve the second tap. In a quick fire where I fired a full clip as fast as possible the XD performed better then the Glock, placing more rounds in the target (no numbers available and will vary from person to person based on experience and skill).

Accessories
Though I haven't bought any yet the Springfield is like the Glock where is had the rail on the front of a light or laser or a combo of both. I will try to post more on that when I have something to report on.

So there is my little review. I hope it is helpful. Basically a novel, but yeah, what I like about the Springfield XD.
 

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Excellent review!
 

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Very well written and thought out review. Thanks.
 
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I wouldn't worry about the difference you experienced in accuracy. That will come w/ use. I have seen the XD's, including my own be capable of some very good accuracy. Even a ex-police officer who picked up my XD and shot tighter groups than w/ his glock. He had never touched an XD before.
 

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I think Glocks and XDs are both able to achieve excellent accuracy, what seems to be the main difference between the two is the grip angle. Chances are you will be more accurate with the design that better fits your natural point of aim.
 

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Here's a good video on how to dis/reassemble an XD.

As per the loaded chamber indicator and firing pin indicator, yes they can be helpful to show others the status of your firearm; however, they were designed primarily to let you know the status of your firearm. Without having to look away from a suspect or if you are in the dark, you can run your fingers over the top of the slide to confirm you have a round chambered, and you can also use your firing hand's thumb to feel the firing pin indicator. This is particularly useful in the dark.

One word of caution: Never use these indicators to show that the firearm is unloaded. These indicators can break and give false negative readings (i.e. the indicators can be down and not palpable when the firearm is in fact ready to fire). I have never seen this happen, but after abuse and other extreme wear, there have been reports of these indicators breaking - but it hasn't negatively influenced the function of the firearm.

One word about reholstering. You need to be fast on the draw, but not fast on reholstering. There is no need to quickly reholster your firearm. If you get it out for any reason other than to secure it or clean it, you should seriously think twice before reholstering. Wait until the scene is safe and then, with slow and deliberate movements clear any clothing or other obstructions from your holster area and slowly reholster your sidearm. You should always take it out fast and put it away slow. This should eliminate any fears you have of a negligent discharge whilst reholstering.
 

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I liked your review, though I would like to point out a few things. First is that Glock pistols have 3 safety features. The first is the external "trigger" safety. Internally there are the "firing pin safety" and the "drop safety". It's important to remember that just because we don't see something, doesn't mean that it isn't there. :wink: As for the "load indicator", there is one located on the extractor of the Glock. There is a tab on the extractor that will protrude when the chamber is "hot".





You may not see this on the older Glock pistols (generation 1 or 2), but will see them on all current production pistols. Glock pistols don't have the "grip safety" or "striker indicator", but IMHO both aren't necessary. Proper training and safe firearms handling will keep you from putting a round in your leg. Remember that your finger should be OFF OF THE TRIGGER until you're ready to shoot.

...So, in theory, if my finger is still on the trigger and I goto re-holster...
This should NEVER happen. Train frequently and properly to assure that you keep your finger in a safe place. This is the common reason for ND incidents.

One thing that you can do with a Glock that you can't do with a XD is change the trigger weight. There are several different configurations that will result in 4 different trigger weights. Your common Glock pistol comes with the "5.5lb" trigger. I have all of my Glock pistols set at a 8lb trigger. For competitive purposes, you can set the trigger as low as 3.5lbs. It's a matter of personal choice.

I don't agree with the FBI guy you talked with. I own 3 Glock 27 pistols. There is no problem having 2 (or 3, 4, 5, etc.) of the same firearm. So your department issues you a Glock 22, what's the problem? If you already own a G22 and know what it does as well as know it inside and out, you're already ahead of others who may not be too familiar with the firearm. If the problem lies with mixing up the parts, then here's a simple answer; don't break both of them down at the same time. My Glock pistols have the serial number on the barrel, slide and frame. These are the three components that you will have in front of you when it's field stripped.

Bottom line is that having the multiple "safety" features won't make you a better shooter, gun owner, father, husband, etc. I have many firearms that have a variety of safety features. No matter what firearm I'm handling, I know that I'm safe due to constant awareness, SAFE FIREARMS HANDLING procedures and an in depth knowledge of the firearms that I own. Thing to remember that the "safest" gun can kill you if you don't use it properly.

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Bottom line is that having the multiple "safety" features won't make you a better shooter, gun owner, father, husband, etc. I have many firearms that have a variety of safety features. No matter what firearm I'm handling, I know that I'm safe due to constant awareness, SAFE FIREARMS HANDLING procedures and an in depth knowledge of the firearms that I own. Thing to remember that the "safest" gun can kill you if you don't use it properly.

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They won't make you better at any of the things you mentioned but I don't think he idicated they would, but they certainly do increase your odds in avoiding mishaps and accidents. Even those that are attentive to safety have made errors from time to time, no one is perfect despite ones best efforts. Even the most experienced gun owners have made safety errors or lost their focus, I guess its part of being an imperfect human. Why not help increase you odds even more of never having a problem. It is really hard to argue against well implemented safety features. My understanding is the Xd's also have the internal safties mentioned in the response. My opinion is I wouldnt not want to own multiples of the same gun, but I guess in my mind, there is no reason to own a glock anyway :ROFL: Kidding, to each their own.
 

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In terms of practical gun safety in the home, I'd recommend a good, quick-access safe. Something like a GunVault -- kids can't touch the gun or play with it, but the adults can get to it fast if needed. There is no place you can hide a gun where the kids won't eventually find it. Think of how hard it was for *your* parents to hide Christmas presents from you. ;)
 

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They won't make you better at any of the things you mentioned but I don't think he idicated they would, but they certainly do increase your odds in avoiding mishaps and accidents. Even those that are attentive to safety have made errors from time to time, no one is perfect despite ones best efforts. Even the most experienced gun owners have made safety errors or lost their focus, I guess its part of being an imperfect human. Why not help increase you odds even more of never having a problem. It is really hard to argue against well implemented safety features. My understanding is the Xd's also have the internal safties mentioned in the response. My opinion is I wouldnt not want to own multiples of the same gun, but I guess in my mind, there is no reason to own a glock anyway :ROFL: Kidding, to each their own.
Proper training with your firearm will prevent mishaps. Having "too many" safety devices can be a bad thing in a defensive situation. Think of the many folks who forget to disengage the "slide safety" and cock the hammer on their 1911 firearms. This is why it's important to train with your firearms and to train under various circumstances.

I'm not saying that I'm "perfect". I am saying that I am confident in my abilities and don't have to puchase a gun because I think it will be "safe" due to the "safety features". Don't really care how the XD is put together. I think it's a fine gun and has it's place. I've seen the XD fail on numerous occasions. I've seen a couple of Glock pistols as well. The major concern that I have is that the Glock has been around a lot longer than the XD. The failures I've seen in the XD are a lot more critical than the Glock. With a broken trigger spring, you're still able to fire a Glock, OTOH if your slide pin pops out and your slide is no longer in tact, that could be a much bigger problem. As I said earlier, the XD is a good gun, but not one that I would bet my life on. If it's all I had to defend myself, then maybe. Given other options, I'd have to seriously consider what my options are.

The OP talked about a DEPARTMENT ISSUED firearm. You talk about "owning" multiples of a firearm. If it's DEPARTMENT ISSUED, it's owned by the DEPARTMENT, not the individual LEO.

You may see no need to own a Glock, though I can think of a few reasons why I would purchase a XD. Just because I woudln't use a firearm to defend myself, doesn't mean that it isn't a great gun to take to the range and shoot off a few rounds. I know of two local gun shops that have the XD selling at under $500. They brought the gun in a little over a year ago, and it has been on the shelf since. A XD9 would be a fun gun to have considering the cost of 9mm ammo vs. .40 s&w. :wink:

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" Proper training with your firearm will prevent mishaps. Having "too many" safety devices can be a bad thing in a defensive situation.... I don't think this actually applies to the XD in any way. But again, professionals, even those w/ proper training have had lapses and mishaps, can't be disputed. Chances are, you too will slip up one day whether you want to accept it or not, it likely will happen, even if it is something minor. Again, it is quite difficult to argue about well implemented saftey features. Notice I qualified my statement on both occassions with "well implemented".

"I've seen the XD fail on numerous occasions. I've seen a couple of Glock pistols as well..... " I think if you have really seen this as you claim to, you are certainly in the minority. I can't think of a minor failure I have seen in an XD let alone anything serious. Again this is your experience versus mine and others I know. I would believe it if I saw it of course, I just never have seen it.
 

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glock fan, thanks for clearing up the Glock safeties and such.

As for the chambered round indicator (as I just looked at my Glock 17 9mm for work) I like how the XD has it on top. Until you pointed it out I didn't know it was there because I don't see it. I'm right handed and it is off to the right, so when I cock the weapon I really never see it pop out. With the XD it is right on top and I know a round has been chambered.
 

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When I first began teaching NRA pistol classes, the "finger off the trigger" idea was really hammered home. One place where your finger is well off of the trigger happens to be where the load indicator is on the Glock. I've incorporated this in the way I shoot and find that it's an excellent secondary indicator of the chamber being "hot". The first would be me conciously loading a full magazine and chambering a round.

Keep in mind that your focus should be on the front sight post. Three things should be in view. This would be the target, front sight post and the rear sight. Target and rear sight should be slighly blurred, but the front sight should be clear. The chamber indicator on the XD is a distraction IMO.

If you like the XD and it works for you, that's great. Just be sure that you don't get confused when breaking down the two guns. I've known a couple of guys who did. :wink:

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