teachers and guns

I have read policies developed by two school districts to deal with teachers/employees legal carry in school. As I recall, the policies basically boiled down to " we don't like it but we have to let you so you take full responsibility for anything that happens as a consequence to your carrying in our schools". UEA isn't thrilled with school carry by their members but there's not a whole lot they can do about it.

I think teachers, because they are "on stage" so much and in a "hostile" environment, need to be more discreet in their carry than someone just running down to 7-11 for a quart of milk. I would imagine that administration reaction to a school teacher/empoloyee found to be carrying at school would be disproving and would involve some petty retaliation. For example, Emerson School in SLC has signs on the entrance doors saying that they "prefer" that CFP holders not carry in the school. A teacher found to be carrying would no doubt be the recipient of administration displeasure.

I believe Annie mentioned she was glad her child's teacher carried,especially in the event of a lock down.

I think this is great. I think all teachers should carry.

Definition: Lock Down; A place where multiple innocent targets must remain, most often in fear and desperation for their lives, as they wait for a criminal to nonchalantly come to end their lives. Or if they are extremely lucky, after several hours of terror a police officer may come to the door and let them know they are free to go.

I would rather have the teacher there able to protect my children with a concealed weapon than to force this type of situation upon them as they may be cowering in fear till executed, and I stand outside unable to aid them because I am not allowed to go in and protect them.

I think most of us probably feel the same way.

I email my sons teacher periodically to see how he is doing as I don't hear as much as my wife does. I was curious one day & decided to ask her what her feeling were on ccw in schools. Here is her response

One of my former principals believed that if someone had proper training, they should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. Her opinion was based on what she had learned at a conference she had attended. My dad, who served with the Davis County Sheriff's Department for ten years and has been a teacher and administrator for the past twenty five years in Utah, believes that even if someone is properly trained and licensed should not carry a weapon in any public arena, especially schools. In my opinion, I am strongly opposed to any weapons in schools. The violent scenes at schools, such as Columbine & Virginia Tech, do not validate carrying firearms for protection. As a former school counselor I am more for prevention than for protection.

She is a great teacher & as much as I disagree with her opinion on this I did not debate with her. I respectfully told her that I strongly disagreed with her & her fathers opinion. My son hasn't come home with any "ban all guns" stories from her. She does a great job with a child that can be a heck of a challenge some days.

ammosargeant said:

First of all i think more public school teachers and university teachers should carry a concealed weapon. I dont think they should tell there students if they are carrying. My daughter told my wife that one of her teachers has a ccw which i am fine with but i dont think he should tell the kids. These are elementary age kids and most of them have no idea what that is but it could cause problems for this teacher from other parents. I know we can carry in a public school but what are the teachers union policies? Can a teacher or professor carry? Would they get fired if students or parents found out? What are some thoughts about this issue?

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It must be nice to be a cloistered academic and know everything about everything. Some of these people have got to get their heads out of the text books, test tubes, petri dishes & quite frankly their backsides and grab reality by the horns once in a while. How many lives would have been saved if CCW had been allowed by qualified teachers, students, caretakers, cleaning staff, whatever in schools and universities?

If the academic institutions do not want CCW on campus then they should be willing to foot the bill for an on site ARMED security guard or two on a 24/7 basis......and not some 70 year old near sighted grandpa on a cane with an shot out .38 cal. wheel gun working for minimum wage either. Goodness knows the tuition fees they're charging these days are high enough to buy some security for their staff & students.

In Canada, which is a liberal/anti Utopia, a scrawny kid with a Ruger mini-14 walked into a university campus in Montreal about a dozen years ago & casually picked off 14 female engineering students & then shot himself. What is really scary is that on a crowded university campus not a single person or group of persons tried to rush or in anyway subdue the shooter as he calmly & deliberately chose targets and shot them to death.

It would appear that the SAVE ME, everybody for themselves instinct for survival takes over to the exclusion of all others in these situations.....they scatter like a flock of sheep being attacked by a mad dog.

Experience has shown that in most of these situations each person is their OWN SAVIOR. On rare occassions a hero, or heroes will emerge from the panicked crowd and overpower the shooter, but not very often on a percentage basis. The natural human instinct to save oneself that is programmed into our DNA is the reason that each person should be allowed to carry the tool (a firearm) to defend themselves in the event of attack by a violent criminal. If you count on others, or the cops to protect you, past occurences have proven that it just isn't going to happen. They will attend your funeral.....that is the only solidarity that you can realistically expect.

Qualified & licensed persons should be able to CCW anywhere, anytime.