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John said:
In Tennessee CCP records are public information, so a news station decided it was a good idea to make a map of where every permit holder lives.
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I'm not quite seeing that in the map that came up. You can click on a city and see a pop-up that shows a statistical summary for that city, but I saw no individual names and addresses.

However, names and addresses have certainly been published recently in several states that allow this, such as Ohio and Virginia, if I recall.

I agree with you in that I'm very glad that Utah permits are not public information that can be abused.
 

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We set out to analyze the geographical and social trends among those who have registered to carry a handgun. - WBIR
Hmm... well, I read the article, and yes it seems that they were analyzing socioeconomic information, but why post the map with this statement?
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To me, this seems oddly reminiscent of the 'sex offenders' list. I hope that readers aren't thinking, "OK, who in my neighborhood has a gun?" I would be willing to bet that there are many people out there who, out of fear or ignorance, would misuse the aforementioned information. I don't see any positive aspect to revealing or "making public record" of who is able to conceal handguns - we are not criminals.
 

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Has there been any reply from the Tennessee legislature regarding making concealed permit holders' information public? Didn't this same thing happen in other states and their legislatures quickly banned this?
 

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I'm finding it a bit ironic that on a forum so supportive of open carry, you all are concerned about concealed handgun licenses being public record.
 

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I'm finding it a bit ironic that on a forum so supportive of open carry, you all are concerned about concealed handgun licenses being public record.
I could be wrong here... but to me it comes down to protecting one's right to carry concealed. If someone chooses to OC, they've made it obvious that they are OC'ing and are aware of it. But sometimes they may want to choose to CC. By making their CC permit a matter of open public record, the State has removed their right to keep private the fact that they sometimes CC.

In other words, just b/c someone occasionally OC's doesn't necessarily mean they also CC.
 

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Did anyone else read about a newspaper that posted the names and addresses of CCW holders? Among other problems caused, they gave the names and addresses of women who had a CCW because they were in fear of their lives, and were trying to remain hidden from their ex-husbands. Concealed carry holder's records need to remain private.
 

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In other words, just b/c someone occasionally OC's doesn't necessarily mean they also CC.
Not necessarily, but I've yet to meet a person who carries openly who doesn't have a concealed permit and who doesn't also carry concealed sometimes.

Understand I'm not saying this sort of sensationalism BS by newspapers is right - they are just trying to stir the hornets' nest... but imagine for a minute you are hearing arguments for and against CHL records not being public, and the people presenting the argument are known locally for having OC dinners...
 

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Did anyone else read about a newspaper that posted the names and addresses of CCW holders? Among other problems caused, they gave the names and addresses of women who had a CCW because they were in fear of their lives, and were trying to remain hidden from their ex-husbands. Concealed carry holder's records need to remain private.
Pretty sure this has happened in a couple of areas.

Not that it makes it right, but if you were one of those women, still using the same name as before, you would have been at risk for being discovered by any number of legal means.

Even with a name change, any cut rate PI you pay $50 can find somebody.
 

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Maladjusted said:
bane said:
In other words, just b/c someone occasionally OC's doesn't necessarily mean they also CC.
Not necessarily, but I've yet to meet a person who carries openly who doesn't have a concealed permit and who doesn't also carry concealed sometimes.

Understand I'm not saying this sort of sensationalism BS by newspapers is right - they are just trying to stir the hornets' nest... but imagine for a minute you are hearing arguments for and against CHL records not being public, and the people presenting the argument are known locally for having OC dinners...
A very small % of people in Utah OC. Due to the recent press I am sure that number has grown. I often OC and still would bet 7/10 of my neighbors don't have a clue I even own a gun. But it doesn’t matter if 99% of people in Utah OCed because of that 1% the records still should remain private, and definitely not published with maps or in the paper.
 

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Ishpeck said:
The press is mankind's enemy.
Thomas Jefferson said:
Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.
Idiots are mankind's enemy. Unfortunately, a large number of those idiots work in the media.
 

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T-Man said:
Ishpeck said:
The press is mankind's enemy.
Thomas Jefferson said:
Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.
Idiots are mankind's enemy. Unfortunately, a large number of those idiots work in the media.
Well put!
 

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Mjolnir said:
Did anyone else read about a newspaper that posted the names and addresses of CCW holders? Among other problems caused, they gave the names and addresses of women who had a CCW because they were in fear of their lives, and were trying to remain hidden from their ex-husbands. Concealed carry holder's records need to remain private.
This has happened in both Virginia and Ohio, that I'm aware of.
 
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T-Man said:
Ishpeck said:
The press is mankind's enemy.
Thomas Jefferson said:
Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.
Idiots are mankind's enemy. Unfortunately, a large number of those idiots work in the media.
I can play this game, too:

Thomas Jefferson said:
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
 

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I'm not sure how that nullifies TJ's original point -- all it does is expound on his sentiment, but it does not contradict it.
 
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