Thank you for having me. I have been active on packing.org for awhile, but a friend just told me about this forum today - I am very glad he did. It's nice to have a place where we can discuss utah/gun related topics.
The University of Utah
I just can't believe that a state run organization, led by someone like President Young, is being controlled by the politics of fear!
Honestly, if and let me emphasize if someone were to commit a firearm related crime on the University of Utah campus, it is very unlikely to be a concealed carry permit holder. As you all know, and I am sorry I have to repeat it, CCP holders are subject to extreme scrutiny. I worked at a research lab at the University and only had to subject myself to a urinalysis test in order to administer controlled narcotics. The only other time (besides for my CCP) I was fingerprinted was when I became a certified EMT. So... it would stand to reason that the people that go though the hoops, background checks, and financial hurdles ($100+) to get a CCP are some of the most law abiding gun owners out there. Many citizens choose to carry illegally because they don't want to meet the aforementioned requirements.
So why, President Young, are you preventing us from being a safety resource to you, the staff and students? Those who want to commit crimes are not concerned with the laws of this state and will do as they will regardless of your 'gun rules'. If you try to prevent all guns on campus, all you do is provide a place for the criminally minded to prey on innocent law abiding citizens. However, if the same criminals knew that there was a possibility that the young, attractive female jogger might have a revolver in her sport bag, I can promise you he would think twice before accosting her, or any student/faculty on campus for that matter.
The standard rebuttal is that people who conceal carry pose a threat to those who do not. As if, by carrying a firearm in a concealed matter, someone poses a threat to me while I am speaking my mind. OK, I can see that in a twisted sort of logic. So... the logic behind this is as follows: despite the fact that less than 1% of the public has concealed permits, the very thought that someone listening to me, who doesn't agree with what I am saying, has me scared for my life. And somehow, without taking any action is preventing me from exercising my freedom of speech. The last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, it protected our, that's right, RIGHTS. It doesn't say anything about abating our paranoias. It was enacted to prevent people from censoring others. So, unless the person that is carrying a concealed weapon brandishes it and coerces me to stop speaking, they haven't violated any of my rights. So... unless a situation like that happens, which has not on the campus, I see no reason to take away another's rights to defend themselves in order to, as stated before, abate someone else's paranoia.
I personally know a few classmates that carry while on campus. I also know the reliability of campus police. I can tell you that I rest easier and am much more focused on my studies knowing that if something terrible were to happen in any of my lectures, there would be people there who could respond appropriately.
So, if you have an opportunity, please let President Young know how you feel before he convinces everyone on campus that a 'gun free campus' is a 'safe campus'.
Honestly, if and let me emphasize if someone were to commit a firearm related crime on the University of Utah campus, it is very unlikely to be a concealed carry permit holder. As you all know, and I am sorry I have to repeat it, CCP holders are subject to extreme scrutiny. I worked at a research lab at the University and only had to subject myself to a urinalysis test in order to administer controlled narcotics. The only other time (besides for my CCP) I was fingerprinted was when I became a certified EMT. So... it would stand to reason that the people that go though the hoops, background checks, and financial hurdles ($100+) to get a CCP are some of the most law abiding gun owners out there. Many citizens choose to carry illegally because they don't want to meet the aforementioned requirements.
So why, President Young, are you preventing us from being a safety resource to you, the staff and students? Those who want to commit crimes are not concerned with the laws of this state and will do as they will regardless of your 'gun rules'. If you try to prevent all guns on campus, all you do is provide a place for the criminally minded to prey on innocent law abiding citizens. However, if the same criminals knew that there was a possibility that the young, attractive female jogger might have a revolver in her sport bag, I can promise you he would think twice before accosting her, or any student/faculty on campus for that matter.
The standard rebuttal is that people who conceal carry pose a threat to those who do not. As if, by carrying a firearm in a concealed matter, someone poses a threat to me while I am speaking my mind. OK, I can see that in a twisted sort of logic. So... the logic behind this is as follows: despite the fact that less than 1% of the public has concealed permits, the very thought that someone listening to me, who doesn't agree with what I am saying, has me scared for my life. And somehow, without taking any action is preventing me from exercising my freedom of speech. The last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, it protected our, that's right, RIGHTS. It doesn't say anything about abating our paranoias. It was enacted to prevent people from censoring others. So, unless the person that is carrying a concealed weapon brandishes it and coerces me to stop speaking, they haven't violated any of my rights. So... unless a situation like that happens, which has not on the campus, I see no reason to take away another's rights to defend themselves in order to, as stated before, abate someone else's paranoia.
I personally know a few classmates that carry while on campus. I also know the reliability of campus police. I can tell you that I rest easier and am much more focused on my studies knowing that if something terrible were to happen in any of my lectures, there would be people there who could respond appropriately.
So, if you have an opportunity, please let President Young know how you feel before he convinces everyone on campus that a 'gun free campus' is a 'safe campus'.
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You are correct. This thread is over a year old and was written when the U was still taking action against firearms on campus despite the illegality of these actions. The U was forced to recognize concealed carry, but they are still holding that open carry is not allowed - so they are still on the boycott list (IMO).
Please post the pamphlet as soon as you can. Thanks!
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