[Crusader Smithy]

Did you guys see that Montana is threatening to secede from the union if D.C. vs. Heller goes poorly for the 2nd amendment? http://www.reason.com/news/show/126063.html

 

[GeneticsDave]

I heard that a while ago, can't remember where though. If that happens, I'm moving to Montana :fudd:

 

[Crusader Smithy]

Cool, we'll be neighbors

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Yep, I read that a while ago. Way to go, Montana! :thumbsup:

 

[rdoggsilva]

Same here read it a few months ago. Montana is starting to look good.

 

[Cinhil]

It is Montana's Right to do so if their contract with the Union is aborted in the manner stated. Likewise it would be the Right of most States as most have contracts pursuant to their entering the Union, which grant them the right to leave if the Federal Gov't violates their contract rights. I say--Good JOb Montana and stick to your guns. :fudd:

 

[MarshallDodge]

I think we could get Utah to join Montana don't you think? Idaho, Arizona, Wyoming, and the Dakotas probably wouldn't be too far behind.

I would also hope that there would never be another civil war. If it did happen I am sure you would see lot's of gun owners leaving the other side to come to ours.

 

[apollosmith]

I would also hope that there would never be another civil war.

A civil war over gun rights? The anti-gun, restrictive states against the pro-gun states? I wonder who would have the tactical advantage? :raisedbrow:

Of course, it is VERY unlikely that Montana would secede either way, but I love the fact that Montana is discussing it and standing up for the rights of it's citizens.

 

[hamm]

It's pretty obvious from the hearings that the Supreme Court is going to shoot down D.C.'s appeal, so we won't have to worry about a civil war. (pun intended)

 

[Jeff Johnson]

I think we could get Utah to join Montana don't you think?
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Recall your history of Utah. We already tried to leave the Union by pulling hand carts across the plains. The Union beat Mexico in a war, then engulfed this area, thus pulling us back into the Union (at the point of a sword, so to speak). Recall Johnston's Army?

 

[MarshallDodge]

I think we could get Utah to join Montana don't you think?
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Recall your history of Utah. We already tried to leave the Union by pulling hand carts across the plains. The Union beat Mexico in a war, then engulfed this area, thus pulling us back into the Union (at the point of a sword, so to speak). Recall Johnston's Army?

Sorry, I am new to Utah, only been here a couple years and don't know all the history. Guess I better hit the books.

 

[divegeek]

I think we could get Utah to join Montana don't you think?
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Recall your history of Utah. We already tried to leave the Union by pulling hand carts across the plains. The Union beat Mexico in a war, then engulfed this area, thus pulling us back into the Union (at the point of a sword, so to speak). Recall Johnston's Army?

Not only that, Utah only became a state because being a territory was so much worse. Territories are under the direct control of the federal government, while states have a certain degree of autonomy. Utah joined the union in order to escape the union.

Of course, the state is a very different place than it was then. It's hard to say what Utahns would choose if it were offered as a real option.

 

[Crusader Smithy]

I think if things were going bad enough when it came up for a vote we would leave the union. It would also depend on who the govener is. I don't see "Smiling John" allowing it. It would hurt his chance for a presidential race (we should leave the union just for that 8) ).

 

[rdoggsilva]

This time my family maybe on the winning side :crown:

 

[Guest]

Technically, The State of Utah can't legally secede. It's against Utah's constitution.

The State of Utah is an inseparable part of the Federal Union and the Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land.

Doesn't mean we can't illegally secede. Just means that even Utah itself will be divided on the issue.

I utterly loathe the idea of breaking up the Union. Not that I'm against the idea of doing whatever's necessary to preserve the Constitution... but getting a root canal isn't fun no matter how necessary it may be.

Let's hope we can stay ahead of such a disaster and solve problems before they escalate quite that far.

 

[divegeek]

I utterly loathe the idea of breaking up the Union. Not that I'm against the idea of doing whatever's necessary to preserve the Constitution... but getting a root canal isn't fun no matter how necessary it may be.

I don't know. Might be a good thing to establish the precedent that if they go too far, states may decide to opt out. It'd go a long way toward keeping the federal government under control.

 

[Ruger Collector]

Did you guys see that Montana is threatening to secede from the union if D.C. vs. Heller goes poorly for the 2nd amendment? http://www.reason.com/news/show/126063.html

Its not secession, it would be the federal government violating the compact of statehood for Montana, which nullifies the compact. I heard this story yesterday and again today on the Glenn Beck program.

 

[Jeff Johnson]

While this is an interesting discussion regarding Montana, I would like to remind everybody that this is a hypothetical & philosophical discussion only. Remember Forum Rule #3:

No posts that incite unlawful violence or advocate the violent overthrow of the government are allowed. Anyone posting such will be banned.

Any calls for attempts to overthrow the government are not allowed.

 

[Crusader Smithy]

According to what I've read on it there is nothing about overthrowing in it. If the 2nd amendment falls the U.S. govt. has broken their contract with Montana when they became a state. They would be able to legally say thanks but no thanks. I've listened to someone in their state govt. and they of coarse said they don't want to do that but only that they have the option of doing so if the fed's break their contract.
It all comes down to, sure it is an interesting consept to discuss but I don't think I could really ever leave the U.S.

 

[Retire Early]

My favorite part of all of this lies in the fact that Montana has over 200 nukes hiding in it's hills.
:tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank: :tank:

If they were to leave the union, they'd be about the fourth largest nuclear power in the world. :shock: