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Sorry for the delayed update I was told that the University will continue pursuing this unlawful policy. I will continue fighting this unjust policy.

Not only is this a threat to public University's but could extend to K-12 if the police chiefs get together. I will continue fighting this unjust policy. I will not rest until this policy is abolished and I will continue funding this for the lawyer until all public University's stop making policy's that are unlawful.

I have vested a lot of time and money in this and am thankful for everyone who has helped. Even if you can't donate just share my page with everyone let's get the community behind this. This is an attack on all gun rights not just open carry what's next free speech zones and restrictions where firearms can be on campus.

Let's share the gofundme website I will continue fighting and organizing events to continue fighting this unjust and unfair policy.

Thanks to everyone I will not let you down.
Zachary Wellman
 

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Hey Zachary, Do you have any updates on this?

My wife recieved the following email today from the Dean of the College of Social Work( don't even get me started on these guys and their one-sided rhetoric):

Dear College of Social Work Students,

Please be aware that state laws and University policies generally prohibit weapons on campus. Permission is granted only in limited circumstances, such as in the case of a concealed weapons permit holder. If anyone observes an unconcealed weapon, they are encouraged to notify campus police (801-585-2677). The police will check to see if the individual with the weapon has a concealed weapons permit and may meet with the individual to clarify and educate on what a "concealed weapon" means. There is no right to openly carry a gun on campus.

If you have any questions, please contact your instructor, the Dean's office (801-581-8827), or the University Campus Police (801-585-2677 or 801-585-COPS).

Thank you,

Hank

Hank Liese, MSW, Ph.D.
Dean
College of Social Work
University of Utah
395 S. 1500 E., Rm. 111
Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0260
[email protected]
socialwork.utah.edu
@HankLiese
(801) 581-6194
Obviously this is twisting words, half-truths and outright lies, and she and several other classmates took issue with it and want to go talk to the Dean and ask him to retract and correct his statement.

I was wondering if there was any resolution to this, and if there are any cases that I can look to for reference as I am arming them up to talk to this guy about it.

Thanks!
 

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Tenuki said:
Hey Zachary, Do you have any updates on this?

My wife recieved the following email today from the Dean of the College of Social Work( don't even get me started on these guys and their one-sided rhetoric):

Dear College of Social Work Students,

Please be aware that state laws and University policies generally prohibit weapons on campus. Permission is granted only in limited circumstances, such as in the case of a concealed weapons permit holder. If anyone observes an unconcealed weapon, they are encouraged to notify campus police (801-585-2677). The police will check to see if the individual with the weapon has a concealed weapons permit and may meet with the individual to clarify and educate on what a "concealed weapon" means. There is no right to openly carry a gun on campus.

If you have any questions, please contact your instructor, the Dean's office (801-581-8827), or the University Campus Police (801-585-2677 or 801-585-COPS).

Thank you,

Hank

Hank Liese, MSW, Ph.D.
Dean
College of Social Work
University of Utah
395 S. 1500 E., Rm. 111
Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0260
[email protected]
socialwork.utah.edu
@HankLiese
(801) 581-6194
Obviously this is twisting words, half-truths and outright lies, and she and several other classmates took issue with it and want to go talk to the Dean and ask him to retract and correct his statement.

I was wondering if there was any resolution to this, and if there are any cases that I can look to for reference as I am arming them up to talk to this guy about it.

Thanks!
They are reading the state requirement of possessing a "concealed carry permit" as MANDATING the handgun be "concealed". The law does not mandate that the handgun be concealed only that the person carrying the handgun has a permit to conceal. Also, just because one is open carrying in no way provides "reasonable articulable suspicion" that the carrier does not have a permit to conceal.

BTW--- Utah does NOT require that the one with a permit even has the permit in possession when they are carrying concealed!
 

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Yes, I agree and understand the law completely. My wife went in today to talk to the Dean after being thoroughly trained with a copy of the laws in hand. Apparently this was all started because someone in a class had their handgun exposed and a bunch of people couldn't handle its mere presence, so the police were called, the student was pulled out of class and given a good old law-disregarding liberal education on what it meant to carry concealed. (if you are on this forum please message me).

Anyway, things went pretty well while talking to the Dean, though apparently he is incapable of reading because even after handing him a copy of the law, he thinks that his own opinions is more important.

I am obviously not a lawyer and am not in a position to debate with you what the law provides. It is my understanding, however, that the exception under the law which permits concealed carry on school property does not permit a CWP holder to carry a weapon openly while on school property. I have confirmed this with our Office of General Counsel.

Best regards,

Hank

Hank Liese, MSW, Ph.D.
Dean
College of Social Work
University of Utah
395 S. 1500 E., Rm. 111
Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0260
[email protected]
socialwork.utah.edu
@HankLiese
(801) 581-6194
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

On a good note, he seems to be stuck in the middle of us and his supervisors who are clearly misleading him. My wife has replied with another copy of the law and challenged him to read and reply with where it says that. This should be interesting.
 

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Tenuki said:
Yes, I agree and understand the law completely. My wife went in today to talk to the Dean after being thoroughly trained with a copy of the laws in hand. Apparently this was all started because someone in a class had their handgun exposed and a bunch of people couldn't handle its mere presence, so the police were called, the student was pulled out of class and given a good old law-disregarding liberal education on what it meant to carry concealed. (if you are on this forum please message me).

Anyway, things went pretty well while talking to the Dean, though apparently he is incapable of reading because even after handing him a copy of the law, he thinks that his own opinions is more important.

I am obviously not a lawyer and am not in a position to debate with you what the law provides. It is my understanding, however, that the exception under the law which permits concealed carry on school property does not permit a CWP holder to carry a weapon openly while on school property. I have confirmed this with our Office of General Counsel.

Best regards,

Hank

Hank Liese, MSW, Ph.D.
Dean
College of Social Work
University of Utah
395 S. 1500 E., Rm. 111
Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0260
[email protected]
socialwork.utah.edu
@HankLiese
(801) 581-6194
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

On a good note, he seems to be stuck in the middle of us and his supervisors who are clearly misleading him. My wife has replied with another copy of the law and challenged him to read and reply with where it says that. This should be interesting.
All I will say is that the U of U General Council has a stick firmly up their proverbial rear end and are completely incapable of obedience to law, let alone being able to read or understand the law as has been the case for decades. The General Consul is worthless and their opinions are negligent at best.
 

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I have met with general counsel I would try to meet with Clark Aposian with the USSC and see if he can help.

I am afraid that a test case may be a choice. I'd love to talk with you more about it my number is 8014557227. I am in the field until Monday then I will be back at work.

I will follow up with you for sure.

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