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Romney 255,218 90% 36
McCain 15,264 5% 0
Paul 8,295 3% 0
Huckabee 4,054 1% 0
Giuliani 928 0% 0

Obama 70,373 57% 14
Clinton 48,719 39% 9
Edwards 3,525 3% 0

Looks like I am about the only person in Utah that didn't vote for Romney; I feel so lonely!

928 for Giuliani who withdrew they even had a sign at my polling local saying he withdrew, I guess they where die hard fans.
 

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I've been so involved in politics and talking about politics for the last few weeks that I can't even muster the energy to go there right now. Blah.
 

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From the Democrat-angle I'm happy to see Obama beating Clinton... not surprised, but happy... course, he's not beating her by as much as he probably should be considering we are in Utah, the largest anti-Bill state in the union...

From the Republican-angle I am very dismayed and borderline upset to see Romney getting 90% of the vote!!! He's got good things going for him, for sure, but I really don't think those things put him 90% more favored over our national war veteran and hero, McCain. The fact that Romney IS pulling in so many more votes than McCain here in Utah speaks VOLUMES (to me, anyways) regarding the voting mentality of the majority of Utah Republicans. IMHO, it's a sad day here in Utah...

From the Independent-angle... well what can I say, the Indy's never have a chance and they are usually some of my preferred candidates. :(
 

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bane said:
.......our national war veteran and hero, McCain.......
McCain is not much different and fits in with the rest of his fellow Democrats.

That is except for one big difference, and that is that they don't pretend to be Republicans like he does.

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I'd rather vote for a Democratic that says they are a Democrat, than a Democrat that claims to be a Republican. At least that way they will screw you to your face rather than behind your back....

McCain may get the nomination, but he won't get my vote.
 

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:shock:

I never said he was a *CONSERVATIVE*... let's not mistake someone's political philosophy with their political party... though often viewed as the same, they are actually 2 distinct things. One CAN be a conservative democrat, however odd that may seem in today's politics. And one can certainly be a liberal republican.

I have to say, however, the couple of harsh comments just made about a man none of REALLY knows, who put his life and health on the line for all of us and spent time as a POW on our behalf is both... cruel and very revealing.

There is a good chance that I will not vote for McCain. However, in an era when so many tend to be so harsh about Presidents who haven't spent any real time in the military, for us to so quickly and so harshly judge a man who DID actual real and harsh time in the military seems, to me, to be quite beneath us.

Apparently I am mistaken.

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Ron Paul, too bad my vote doesnt count in utah anyways. The only person who would beat Romney in utah is Monson
 

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Eukatae said:
928 for Giuliani who withdrew they even had a sign at my polling local saying he withdrew, I guess they where die hard fans.
Edwards dropped out too, and he got over 3,000 votes! Good to know that voters are making educated decisions about candidates.

As for McCain v. Romney: Yes Mitt won Utah because of the blind loyalty of thousands of LDS folks. McCain may not be the PERFECT candidate, but neither is Romney. Either one of them is sure a better alternative than Barack Hussein Obama, or Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife!

My pick for President: Colin Powell, but he's too smart to run.
 

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I'm not saying anything about him personally, just his political record, and it's his record that I can't stand.
My feelings as well.

He has my respect for the trials and things he suffered as a POW. I respect his service to our country. But I cannot vote for a man with his political record.
 

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"T-Man Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife!
I never thought of it that way... Pretty darn funny
 

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My pick for President: Colin Powell, but he's too smart to run.
Boy, how many times I've made the same comment! I would vote for Powell in a heartbeat... too bad he's "too smart"... :(
 

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Hunter said:
I'm not saying anything about him personally, just his political record, and it's his record that I can't stand.
My feelings as well.

He has my respect for the trials and things he suffered as a POW. I respect his service to our country. But I cannot vote for a man with his political record.
I was not suggesting anyone should vote for him. In fact, I may not vote for him myself. I was merely commenting on the harshness of the comments made against him. If we say we "RESPECT" someone, we usually don't make mean-spirited comments against them just b/c we don't agree with some other aspect of their life.

In other words, you can't say you "RESPECT" someone out of one side of your mouth and then out of the other side of your mouth say "he'll screw you", "he's a cheater and a liar", and "I hate him" and be an honest person yourself. Either you respect him, or you don't. It doesn't necessarily mean you have to always agree with him, but you can't respect someone you hate.

And this seems so common... people everywhere say how much they "respect" those who have served... but all too often I get the feeling it is just a socially-acceptable thing to say.

Respect USED to mean that one showed some DEFERENCE to the person.
 

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So should we "respect" any Vet simply because they are a Vet? Seems like thats what you are saying. So that means that a murderer who was a Vet deserves respect? Not sure I agree with that. I respect anyone who has served for their service. However the simple fact that they have served does not mean that I need to like them or agree with them or vote for them or respect their OTHER ACTIONS. I believe you can respect someone for their service and still dislike them and not support other actions of theirs.

If I say I don't respect McCain, does that mean I am in trouble because he served our country?

I appreciate McCain's service and think that his service does deserve to be acknowledge and respected. As a service man and POW he absolutely has my respect. However, that doesn't mean that I need to respect his politics or his OTHER ACTIONS.

Maybe we should follow that unwritten rule of not discussing religion or politics. :wink:
 

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But, PW, that isn't what I'm saying at all.

I specifically said in my post that you do NOT have to agree with someone merely for their service. I specifically said that it does NOT demand you vote for him. Again, as I pointed out, I may not vote for him myself. Please understand, I am most definitely NOT saying you have to agree with him just b/c he's a vet -- hardly.

And to contrast my post with a murdering vet is quite extreme. It's not really a very valid point. I was obviously talking about the average vet, not the exception.

What I am saying is that if you RESPECT someone (like you and several others have said here) you shouldn't turn around and say you HATE him (like a few have done here).

RESPECT does not mean absolute agreement.
But RESPECT does mean that you don't HATE or despise the person.

One definition from Princeton's website for respect is "a man who has earned high regard". I hardly think you can say you hold someone YOU HATE in "HIGH REGARD".

I'm just asking that people stop showing all the flowery words of "respect" on vets unless they actually mean what they are saying. You don't have to agree with the vet on every point, but you shouldn't be so derisive and mean-spirited either. What that man went through for each of us has BOUGHT HIM our deference, even if not our agreement.
 

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I specifically respect McCain's service to our country and for what he endured in a POW camp.

That's the limit of my respect for the man. In his political life, he has been dishonest and has done great harm to the U.S. Constitution. I'll never vote for him under any circumstances. If he takes the Republican nomination, it will mean that the national Republican party no longer represents my views. I will be forced to vote for a third party candidate or to write in someone whom I would like to see as president.

The fact that Romney got 90% of the Republican vote in Utah doesn't bother me like it does you. People are free to vote how they want. There is absolutely no coercion by the LDS church to support any candidate over any other, including Romney.

Romney wasn't my first choice for the Republican nomination, but he's my current first choice out of those still in the race as of Super Tuesday.
 
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