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John Hollenhorst Reporting

Events on Tuesday will commemorate the six-month anniversary of an incident that shocked the nation. A student at Virginia Tech systematically gunned down students and teachers, killing 32.

At one university in Utah that incident is being used to justify a push for more concealed weapons.

Some professors are packing heat and maybe some students too. A class in Weber State University's Continuing Education Program is specifically aimed at getting people on and off campus to carry guns.

Classroom instructions are given by a professor of anthropology, who doubles as a concealed weapons instructor. Ron Holt says, "I see carrying a concealed weapon as a kind of life insurance policy: 99.99 times you'll never need it, but if you ever do need it, you'll probably really need it."

This continuing education class at Weber State is not for credit. It's open to off-campus folks too, as long as they're at least 21 years old and meet legal requirements for a gun permit.

Guns on campuses are not new. One anonymous teacher has had a permit for 10 years. He says, "My purpose in getting a concealed weapon was, in essence, to become a good citizen."

The tragedy in Virginia has become a selling point. He says, "And I don't consider myself a vigilante. I would never seek out an opportunity to fire my weapon at someone. But if someone is coming toward me, if I were in that situation such as at Virginia Tech, I feel in my heart that I'm prepared."

The classes teach gun safety and scenarios where it's a good idea or a bad idea to pull out a gun. "And I think the ability to react very quickly to a situation like what happened at Virginia Tech outweighs potential problems," says Holt.

We sought reaction at another campus: the University of Utah.

Cameron Strickland disagrees with Holt. He says, "I don't think that's a good idea, to have guns on campus."

"I don't really feel like I should be sitting next to someone with a gun," says Shannon Hook. "And in case something does happen, I don't really necessarily believe everybody has the capability of actually doing something without maybe hurting other people in the process."

But one student applauds the idea. Jake Coburn says, "It gives everyone a sense of confidence, that they can defend themselves."

Utah has issued more than 100,000 concealed weapon permits. That means, whether you like it or not, about one out of every 25 people you meet on the street, in the mall or on campus, could be carrying a gun.

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Cameron Strickland disagrees with Holt. He says, "I don't think that's a good idea, to have guns on campus."
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This Cameron fella's a genius. Too bad he wasn't around to give such sage advice to the VT or the Columbine shooters. :roll:
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"I don't really feel like I should be sitting next to someone with a gun," says Shannon Hook. "And in case something does happen, I don't really necessarily believe everybody has the capability of actually doing something without maybe hurting other people in the process."
Interesting point. Who do you think is more likely to hurt someone - someone trying to legally defend themselves or a mad man shooting at everyone they see? I guarandamntee you she'd be a lot more comfortable sitting next to an armed CFP holder if someone were shooting up her class. Why then would she be uncomfortable with it otherwise?

I certainly applaud WSU for allowing this. It really is a bit of a coup in the university arena.
 

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Along those same lines, when I read the article I had to stop and ask myself:

If I were at one of these places... we'll take Trolley Square as an example... and a not-so-well-trained CWP holder pulled their gun and I was just a bit behind the killer... let's say the CWP's first shot missed the killer and hit me but they corrected themselves and took down the killer with the following shots. Now let's say I died from that first shot.

Of course it's easy for me to say now, but my current thinking is that it would be extremely immoral for my family to be upset with the CWP holder and attempt to hold them liable for my death. I would hope that my family would realize my feelings on the issue and instead thank that fine citizen... after all, being in such near vicinity to the killer *I* was bound to get shot by him anyways... and the CWP holder, although killing me accidentally, stopped numerous other deaths and injuries.

So when Hook, in the article, stated that not everyone with a CWP is capable of executing their responsibility safely, what Hook is really doing is deflecting the responsibility for creating the situation from the killer to the lawfully-abiding CWP holder. Hook is a socialist through and through, whether he/she realizes it or not. Such thinking will always lead, eventually, to ridiculous laws that limit individual rights and provide the REAL criminals with extra legal advantages.

Now let's extend the situation to police (no offense to force members here, I'm ex-military and both of my Grandfathers are ex-Sheriffs). The 2 socialists in the column, I'm assuming, have no problem with LE carrying yet LE kill innocent people pretty frequently due to misunderstandings, miscommunications, etc. Yet these socialists are either so uneducated that they somehow don't realize this fact or they are being deliberately deceitful. I'm guessing the latter holds true given that they are interviewees at the U of U... most likely a couple of fairly educated people.

P.S.: On a side note (and many of you here might be aware of this already) but t I just heard this the other day in my CC class and was absolutely disgusted. The family of those 2 body-armored killer in CA is now suing because one of the one who didn't commit suicide and was taken down by police could possibly have lived; he failed to live b/c emergency services did not respond to his needs due to the fact that they were overwhelmed with taking care of innocent people HE gunned down. In my mind, his family should be taken out and shot! If he were my family I would go on public record dis-owning him. Disgusting.
 
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