[Aad Geordie]

Facebook is fine for the "here and now" but it doesn't seem to be very suitable for long-term. When you look at how easy it is to go find a thread here from a couple of years ago. Also the hierarchical structure is something that Facebook doesn't do too well.
Try going into a Facebook group you haven't visited for a while and catching up--not for the feint-of-heart (or easily irritated!)

Not a fan (obviously :wink: ) I'd rather put some money into having a decent forum/BB. Social Media and Forums/BBs are not the same genre (just my opinion, of course).
Keeping this one going (and, hopefully, improving) would be optimum, I believe. There's a lot of history here now.

 

[Snurd]

Facebook is fine for the "here and now" but it doesn't seem to be very suitable for long-term. When you look at how easy it is to go find a thread here from a couple of years ago. Also the hierarchical structure is something that Facebook doesn't do too well.
Try going into a Facebook group you haven't visited for a while and catching up--not for the feint-of-heart (or easily irritated!)

Not a fan (obviously :wink: ) I'd rather put some money into having a decent forum/BB. Social Media and Forums/BBs are not the same genre (just my opinion, of course).
Keeping this one going (and, hopefully, improving) would be optimum, I believe. There's a lot of history here now.

The question is how can we improve it? The owners don't respond to messages or notices that the site is having problems. The Mods have disappeared.

The new owners don't seem to care about this forum. I'm not sure why the bought it if they don't intend to keep it running smoothly.

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[D-FIN]

not a bad idea... however, we all know how gun friendly Facebook is.... :spit:

Actually, I'm on a couple of gun-related Facebook closed groups and they haven't run into any issues. It might be a short-term solution at least worth consideration.

we would have to do away with gun sales sections on FB for sure

 

[JoeSparky]

I am not certain it will be sufficient for our needs... but lets take a look. If worse comes to worse, I can stand up a PHPBB just like this one....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1834420683512431/

request sent via facebook

 

[JoeSparky]

I was really hoping that the new owners would take this forum to the next level. A level I couldn't do on my own. But they seem to have just left us to ourselves. As far as getting members to donate and help with the costs.... good luck with that. There were a couple really good members here that helped out financially but they were few and far between. Which is part of the reason I sold it. It wasn't super expensive to keep running, but it did cost some money. Maybe someone can figure out how to get a mods attention and they will look at this thread. But yeah, the participation is way down. I thought the new owners would attract more members and put some effort in. I guess at least we haven't seen a crapload of lame ads show up

I am curious as to the annual costs of the forum you experienced.

 

[Wrangler_dave9]

Request sent for the FB group.

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[muddy]

Personally I think there just isn't that much to post and what there is to post has been hashed out on this and other forums. Anyone with a little computer savvy realizes they can do a google search on a topic and find posts from a multitude of forums on the subject as well as a few dozen YouTube videos. This forum being kind of dedicated to just Utah limits an already small population base of people looking for carry info. Even back 3 to 5 years ago I can remember not getting on this forum for a few weeks to a month and when I got back on the same old posts were still being discussed or new posts asking the same old questions.

All in all I kind of think the forums are dying out as there is so much information already on the net. Even the Utah Wildlife forum and the Can Am forum I visit are slow and the only reason they seem to have much traffic at all is guys talking about new model year machines or new hunting regulations. I was involved with the Duck Hunters Refuge back in its hay day, the main boards were hopping and the Utah board always had posts and members viewing it but alas like most forums its now a dry waist land of nothing.

 

[tapehoser]

I'm here taking care of things every single day. I may not post much, but I still check the forum daily.

 

[Snurd]

I'm here taking care of things every single day. I may not post much, but I still check the forum daily.

Excellent. :thumbsup:

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[Aad Geordie]

In response (partially) to Muddy's post a couple above…

I see Muddy's point about the drop in activity level plus the ever-present availability of almost all information. However, I don't think that a forum necessarily has to be constantly buzzing to still be of great value. I think there's a very different kind of value in a local community forum versus the huge international ones. I think it's okay for a forum to just cruise along relatively quietly between occasional flurries of traffic-we've all got lives that pull us in different directions.

I was 58 before I ever picked up a handgun and, while I would consider myself modestly comfortable researching information on the internet, the anonymity and remoteness of web sites and large national forums eventually falls short. This forum seemed to bring everything into a more "real" context for me-I'd like to think others may have had similar experiences. I've attended 16 local defensive firearm classes of various kinds (pistol, rifle, knife, dry-fire). At every one of them, I've met people from this forum. The forum is somewhat of a gel that keeps us connected-not saying it's the only way to do that, just that it does seem to function well in that regard, despite the occasional minor issues.

Let's also not forget the tremendous service to the community that has been provided around October/November each year for the past five years (maybe six?) through DeWitt's organization of, and many others' participation in, the annual free CFP class.

So, is it dying? Personally, I don't think so (just my opinion, of course)-I think it's just quieter than it used to be. I'd be very sad if it were to die, or to move to a social media platform-which I think would inexorably change the nature (some may like that, of course-each to their own )

[RaRah/OFF] :wink:
Geoff.

 

[jfwright1955]

In response (partially) to Muddy's post a couple above…

I see Muddy's point about the drop in activity level plus the ever-present availability of almost all information. However, I don't think that a forum necessarily has to be constantly buzzing to still be of great value. I think there's a very different kind of value in a local community forum versus the huge international ones. I think it's okay for a forum to just cruise along relatively quietly between occasional flurries of traffic-we've all got lives that pull us in different directions.

I was 58 before I ever picked up a handgun and, while I would consider myself modestly comfortable researching information on the internet, the anonymity and remoteness of web sites and large national forums eventually falls short. This forum seemed to bring everything into a more "real" context for me-I'd like to think others may have had similar experiences. I've attended 16 local defensive firearm classes of various kinds (pistol, rifle, knife, dry-fire). At every one of them, I've met people from this forum. The forum is somewhat of a gel that keeps us connected-not saying it's the only way to do that, just that it does seem to function well in that regard, despite the occasional minor issues.

Let's also not forget the tremendous service to the community that has been provided around October/November each year for the past five years (maybe six?) through DeWitt's organization of, and many others' participation in, the annual free CFP class.

So, is it dying? Personally, I don't think so (just my opinion, of course)-I think it's just quieter than it used to be. I'd be very sad if it were to die, or to move to a social media platform-which I think would inexorably change the nature (some may like that, of course-each to their own )

[RaRah/OFF] :wink:
Geoff.

Well said, Geoff. After reading your posts I often find myself thinking "ditto... what he said".

For sure the local community and camaraderie is what appeals to me for the reasons you mentioned. With few exceptions the words of advice from the majority of the forum members can be taken to the bank.

As you and muddy mentioned, I've also tried other forums. However, given they are usually balanced with members from other States and sometimes international members, which aren't bad things by any means, but they do seem to get diluted because topics are covered in generalities or I often find myself thinking "that's not applicable to me". Rarely do I think that whilst reading UCC postings. We have some very knowledgeable members and I enjoy reading their posts, especially regarding Utah laws applicable to firearms.

In one form or another -- and hopefully in its current format-- we, as a community, are more than capable of keeping the forum going and viewed as a respected resource by others.

If tapehoser is willing to continue moderating and doesn't mind stepping in at the first onset of misbehavior to moderate before things get out of hand as they recently have, then we stand a good chance of being able to forge ahead and perpetuate the sharing and distribution of meaningful information. If not, this forum will continue to wither, I'm afraid.

 

[Karl]

I have not been on the forum for quite some time, and just recently returned... I notice that this forum seems to be quite...how do you say... lacking? Where did everybody go? Where are all the comments? I remember the days when this thing was quite hopping with so many discussions that I could never keep up.... not it seems like I have to go back 6 months to see "new" comments...

Can someone please tell me what I missed?

:?:

There are some people cheerleading for state constitutional carry in Utah while they misinterpret the 2nd Amendment and fail to think about the adverse consequences, known as "pro's and con's." You may have missed that.

There is one person suggesting the Clark County now respects Utah CFP's while another says not so and check it yourself. Neither has provided a link to a citation.

With the advent (no pun intended) of Dylann Roof there has been discussion of CCW in church, which of course the LDS do not permit but the Catholics do. Some have confessed (no pun intended) to CCW in LDS churches anyway. Not my problem.

And there is an Open Carry / Concealed Carry (optional) dinner coming up at the end of Jan. I normally carry concealed. Pro's and con's to both. I think I'll skip the dinner since the O/C crowd does not like to be reminded of the pro's and con's. I've noticed this about the Nevada forums too -- it's all rah rah open carry for them as well.

 

[Karl]

No :ack: ... I'm not exactly anti-Facebook per se, but I've avoided it this long!

I though FB really hates guns ?!

I suspect Zuckerberg would come after you personally if you tried using his website for gun purposes.

Just a guess.

 

[Aad Geordie]

:roll:

 

[sypher]

I agree with Geoff and John. I've moved out of state and haven't found a suitable replacement for UCC! I still hang out here as the information is still mostly relevant. Beyond that, I have met numerous people from UCC at functions organized here (dinners, DeWitt's class, Mark and Brant's class, to name a few). Everyone I've had the pleasure of meeting has been a real class act, and has been more than willing to share their time, knowledge and equipment without expecting anything in return.
Right now I don't have the means to help out financially, but if we move, pm me the forwarding address (gotta keep the riff raff out :bat: ) and I'll do what I can when my situation changes.

 

[bagpiper]

Folks, if there is any interest in setting up a new chat group somewhere, I'd love to see it.

I'd prefer to avoid Facebook.

Clearly, we need some moderation as one new member really pushed things out of hand recently after having received the usual, very warm welcome to the forum. I'm guilty of responding to him in frustration in a way that is beneath the usual standards of the group and I apologize to the members for doing so, even though I think the target of my response fully deserved everything I typed and more. The rest of you deserve better.

I'm watching OCDO die from lack of even-handed moderation and a couple of trolls / insider's club members being allowed to drive away civilized members. There is great value to a forum like this. Is there any way to crawl the forum to automatically copy over the history here to a new forum?

Charles

 

[gravedancer]

I have not been on the forum for quite some time, and just recently returned... I notice that this forum seems to be quite...how do you say... lacking? Where did everybody go? Where are all the comments? I remember the days when this thing was quite hopping with so many discussions that I could never keep up.... not it seems like I have to go back 6 months to see "new" comments...

Can someone please tell me what I missed?

:?:

Paul decided to sell the forum, without giving any of the existing forum members a chance to buy it or anything else.
New forum ownership never makes an appearance except to randomly delete (without notice) posts that they might find offensive.
Lack of moderation seems to attract forum trolls like a pile of raw meat attracts flies in the summer.
All of the above cause many longtime members to leave rather than deal with the BS.
RIP UCC

 

[gravedancer]

Folks, if there is any interest in setting up a new chat group somewhere, I'd love to see it.

I'd prefer to avoid Facebook.

Clearly, we need some moderation as one new member really pushed things out of hand recently after having received the usual, very warm welcome to the forum. I'm guilty of responding to him in frustration in a way that is beneath the usual standards of the group and I apologize to the members for doing so, even though I think the target of my response fully deserved everything I typed and more. The rest of you deserve better.

I'm watching OCDO die from lack of even-handed moderation and a couple of trolls / insider's club members being allowed to drive away civilized members. There is great value to a forum like this. Is there any way to crawl the forum to automatically copy over the history here to a new forum?

Charles

Ive been thinking lately about doing just that. I have the knowledge and experience to host and moderate a forum. I on several occasions offered my help (or even free hosting) to previous ownership but was always rebuffed. Unfortunately without being given access to the forum database or at least a backup copy, it would be impossible to migrate over all the posts without a very labor intensive effort to copy/paste everything manually. But it would be possible to set up an alternate site and move over any truly important material that we wanted to move.

 

[Snurd]

Folks, if there is any interest in setting up a new chat group somewhere, I'd love to see it.

I'd prefer to avoid Facebook.

Clearly, we need some moderation as one new member really pushed things out of hand recently after having received the usual, very warm welcome to the forum. I'm guilty of responding to him in frustration in a way that is beneath the usual standards of the group and I apologize to the members for doing so, even though I think the target of my response fully deserved everything I typed and more. The rest of you deserve better.

I'm watching OCDO die from lack of even-handed moderation and a couple of trolls / insider's club members being allowed to drive away civilized members. There is great value to a forum like this. Is there any way to crawl the forum to automatically copy over the history here to a new forum?

Charles

M&P40 is currently setting up a new forum. It's in its infancy so there isn't much to see. No website has been established yet, but it's in the works.

Unfortunately almost all the Mods have disappeared. Tapehoser is the only one I've seen post in many, many months. I'm not sure if he has the ability to give others Mod powers, or adding us to the Posse. I'm on here quite a bit and would accept one of those rolls if it was offered.

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[gravedancer]

Folks, if there is any interest in setting up a new chat group somewhere, I'd love to see it.

I'd prefer to avoid Facebook.

Clearly, we need some moderation as one new member really pushed things out of hand recently after having received the usual, very warm welcome to the forum. I'm guilty of responding to him in frustration in a way that is beneath the usual standards of the group and I apologize to the members for doing so, even though I think the target of my response fully deserved everything I typed and more. The rest of you deserve better.

I'm watching OCDO die from lack of even-handed moderation and a couple of trolls / insider's club members being allowed to drive away civilized members. There is great value to a forum like this. Is there any way to crawl the forum to automatically copy over the history here to a new forum?

Charles

M&P40 is currently setting up a new forum. It's in its infancy so there isn't much to see. No website has been established yet, but it's in the works.

Unfortunately almost all the Mods have disappeared. Tapehoser is the only one I've seen post in many, many months. I'm not sure if he has the ability to give others Mod powers, or adding us to the Posse. I'm on here quite a bit and would accept one of those rolls if it was offered.

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Im talking to M&P about consolidating efforts, since ive already purchased a domain name, and set up advertising free hosting for a forum there.