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Since I'm new to the gun forum world, I want to share an experience I had that really effected the way I feel about gun control. I have always believed that people should have the right to own and carry firearms, but this experience helped me see why it is so important.

I lived in England for a couple of years, while I was there in 2000, people were paying over $4.75 a gallon for gas (it seemed even worse then, and it was the second highest price in the world.), and about 2/3 of the cost was due to taxes. Farmers, truckers, and taxi drivers were being especially hard hit, and they finally got fed up and began a coordinated country wide protest.

The farmers took their tractors on the busiest freeways slowing all traffic to 3-4 MPH at rush hour, the taxi drivers drove slowly through town clogging up all the surface streets, and the truck drivers parked their trucks in front of the oil refineries so no gas could get out. Within a week not one gas station in the country had any fuel left. The police had no legal authority to force the trucks top move since the refineries are privately owned, and the owners didn't ask them to move. The truck drivers said they would not move until a gas tax cut was passed so that fuel prices in the UK were in line with the rest of Europe. Since the government refused to give in to these tactics, the country went for about 2 weeks without fuel (I wasn't too bothered since I didn't own a car and walked everywhere).

With both sides refusing to give in the government finally sent in the military to force the trucks to move, they offered a meager reduction in fuel tax rates, and threatened to use force if it wasn't accepted. The truck drivers complied, because they had no other choice. I can clearly remember the moment when I realized the value of the second amendment.

THE UK GOVERNMENT WAS ENFORCING A TAX THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY DIDN'T WANT, BY USING GUNS THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO OWN!!!!!!!

This was when I decided to proactively fight against gun control.
 

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OK, good, whatever you do - DON'T GO TO ENGLAND OR FRANCE!!! - I'm just joking. There's nothing wrong with a visit, but I just feel so bad for the citizens of both countries who have to endure so much socialism - makes me sick thinking about my time in England :evil:
 
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All of Europe (except Switzerland) is so screwed up - don't go Jeff, don't go...
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. It's a pretty sweeping generalization. I will say Europe is great to visit but I woudn't want to live there. Not because it is screwed up, but the reality is we do enjoy certain freedoms that others don't. But I certainly would not use this as reasoning to miss out on the beauty and all the wonderfull things Europe has to see and offer. I went on a mission to Rome, so I did get to see the good and bad. I do admire the Europeans willingness to strike and take initiative to try and change things they don't like. Try doing that in the US, if you can get people away from their TV's etc. As a country, we are very reluctant to organize/mobilize for a common purpose. Besides, sometimes to appreciate what you have you have to see others that do not have it, so I would encourage people to go to Europe, enjoy what they have to offer and then when you come back, you'll be more appreciative of what we have. I am done on my soap box and I have a show to watch :D
 

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I did like living there, but the USA will always be my home. I'm glad I was able to see how many little things I took for granted living here.
 

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GeneticsDave said:
All of Europe (except Switzerland) is so screwed up - don't go Jeff, don't go...
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. It's a pretty sweeping generalization.
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True. I've been to Germany, France and Belgium (this was in about 1997). It was very interesting. I liked Germany, didn't much care for France, liked Belgium. Oh, and we saw Luxembourg too. This was nearly a month for work (long hours), so we didn't have much chance to see all the sights we wanted to.

I'd love to go again, but this time as a tourist, and this time, I'd love to see England, Scotland & Ireland. I'll tell you what though, that trip did give me a better appreciation for my liberties.

I've been to Amsterdam, but only for a layover, so that doesn't count. I did have an opportunity to visit the Middle East about four months ago. That was very interesting. I would never want to live there.
 

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Sorry, I guess you guys didn't catch my sarcasm (perhaps I should have added a smiley :wink: ).

When I said Europe is screwed up, I meant the whole socialist regime, no guns, Islamic fundamentalism takeover, etc that is happening in Europe, something that would make it impossible for me to be over there any longer than a week or two. I wasn't trying to generalize anything or make sweeping accusations, just point out the way our world is going... :disgusted:
 

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GeneticsDave said:
OK, good, whatever you do - DON'T GO TO ENGLAND OR FRANCE!!! - I'm just joking. There's nothing wrong with a visit, but I just feel so bad for the citizens of both countries who have to endure so much socialism - makes me sick thinking about my time in England :evil:
I was in Germany and Slovenia last week, and it's amazing to me how much the people believe in socialism. I listened to one academic give the keynote address at our conference. He went on and on about how teamwork, group efforts, etc. were so much better than individualism, individual responsibility, etc. He even used the "Europe vs. America" analogy. While some endure the socialism, many really believe in and enjoy it.

Screwed up, that is. Teamwork is awesome, but without individual rights and responsibility, all else matters not.
 
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Sorry, I guess you guys didn't catch my sarcasm (perhaps I should have added a smiley :wink: ).

When I said Europe is screwed up, I meant the whole socialist regime, no guns, Islamic fundamentalism takeover, etc that is happening in Europe,:
Well now that you put it that way :D I certainly agree. Don't worry Dave, we here all know you to be a pretty level guy I knew you probably had pretty good thoughts behind your comments. Besides, last time I did not make it obvious I was joking, I got the big ol lecture so I guess you have to make it obvious here :dunno:
 
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