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WEST COVINA, Calif. (AP) - Authorities in Southern California say a woman was in the middle of making a 911 call when she was shot to death.

The Los Angeles County sheriff's office says the woman was telling a 911 dispatcher that someone was trying to break into her home in the upscale West Covina neighborhood. The pleas for help were interrupted by gunshots, then followed by silence.

Deputies arrived at the house a few minutes later and found the woman had been shot several times. Paramedics pronounced her dead at the scene.

Sheriff's Lieutenant Dan Rosenberg says investigators believe "it was a burglary gone awry." He says witnesses reported seeing one or more men running from the house. Investigators conducted yard-to-yard searches using bloodhounds, but no arrests have been made.

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/topnew ... 0dfe19a88a

Although I'm preaching to the choir here, I thought I'd post this article as an illustration of the potential consequences of having to rely on someone else for protection.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
 

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Thank You California, jerks.
 

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This type of story is the very reason I have a gun readily accessible downstairs as well as upstairs. I'll call 911 after I've dealt with the threat.
 

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Shaolin said:
Thank You California, jerks.
Hey! I resemble that remark. Seriously, while living in California I kept it a policy to have a Colt Government cocked and locked at home nearby. The deteriorating condition of my old neighborhood was one reason why I moved out - helicopters circling overhead looking for BGs. That, and having to worry about whether my CAR-15 and SA-85M were OK for me to take out to the range - stupid assault weapons ban in the PRK made it hard to know whether a legally owned weapon wasn't going to be seized by an overzealous law enforcement.
 

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Shaolin said:
Thank You California, jerks.
Not sure what this comment means . . . California has issues but I think the fact that 911 doesn't provide instantaneous defense is not a California problem. Maybe I am missing something.
 

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aashooter said:
Shaolin said:
Thank You California, jerks.
Not sure what this comment means . . . California has issues but I think the fact that 911 doesn't provide instantaneous defense is not a California problem. Maybe I am missing something.
I'm talking about the gun laws/politicians in CA.
 

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Shaolin said:
aashooter said:
Shaolin said:
Thank You California, jerks.
Not sure what this comment means . . . California has issues but I think the fact that 911 doesn't provide instantaneous defense is not a California problem. Maybe I am missing something.
I'm talking about the gun laws/politicians in CA.
Okay . . . then Amen brother! :lol2:
 

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Shaolin said:
I'm talking about the gun laws/politicians in CA.
What, exactly, do the CA gun laws/politicians have to do with this incident? As written, this could have happened exactly the same anywhere in Utah.
 

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Car Knocker said:
Shaolin said:
I'm talking about the gun laws/politicians in CA.
What, exactly, do the CA gun laws/politicians have to do with this incident? As written, this could have happened exactly the same anywhere in Utah.
Well, enlighten me then. Is it as easy to carry a gun in CA as UT? Open/Concealed? What about home defense? Any special laws involved? How easy is it to obtain a gun in CA? Any different than UT? Any obstacles, as in politicians not in favor on pro-gun/RKBA? Any different than UT? More in favor here or in CA?
 

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Shaolin,

Whether the CCW laws are tougher in CA aren't relevant to this incident since she was in her home. Nor is open/concealed relevant. Home defense with a firearm isn't much different than here, as I recall.

Based on the article as presented here, we have no idea whether she ever tried to acquire a firearm or whether, if she had one, she would actually use it or what her philosophy regarding defensive firearms (or the use of force in self-defense) was. Neither do we know whether she was legally able to possess a firearm per federal law, which applies in Utah as well as California.

So, based on what is in the article, how, to your knowledge, did the California firearms laws and/or politicians affect her in this incident? Do you have information from another source that has bearing on this incident?

Unless someone has some other pertinant information, about all we can draw from this brief article is that waiting for the police to save you from the bad guys may not always work.
 

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I don't think that California has very good state-wide preemption of local laws. I have also read that some places in California have gun-lock requirements, which would affect how well a gun in the home could be deployed in self-defense.

I have no idea if any of the above had any bearing on this incident.
 

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I also now sleep with a firearm within reach because of things like this. These things can happen ANYWHERE.
 

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In an area where guns are highly discouraged, difficult to shoot, even harder to get, and where you can’t carry makes the odds of owning one significantly lower then if you had more freedoms in your choices
 
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