[W. Clark Aposhian]

This is from one of my postings I proffered earlier on Packing.org and I'd like a Utah perspective.

It is a fact that Utah's BCI will at this time issue a CCW permit to an applicant that meets their requirements regardless of their nationality. I.e... even to a person just visiting or on a business trip here. (On a non resident Visa)

For that matter they do not even have to come to Utah. If an instructor is available in their country they could complete the process there.

This is despite the inability of Utah BCI to check backgrounds from any country except Canada.
What are your thoughts on this?
Should non citizens be carrying? Does not everyone have a right to the tools of adequate and appropriate self-Defense?
Keep in mind that USC 922 does allow for non citizens to posses a firearm if they have a valid hunting license or permit.

Clark

 

[concealedutah]

Huh.. A middle eastern bussinessman could have a very justifiable need to a CFP, but BCI could never know their background. It could go either way on that.

How is Reciprocity (SP?) on this? Would it affect us if another state decided to become picky?

I think BCI should do a check on their legal status to be in the country, ie. Legally or other...

Maybe they already do that?

Randy

 

[Jeff Johnson]

Within the context of the laws in place that already infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms, I think that if the state can verify through the INS that the alien is here legally, then yes. Keep issuing.

The better answer, however, is bigger in scope. Get rid of all laws that infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms. That won't happen soon.

 

[iampacking]

While i admit that it does grate me a little that, as a US and Utah citizen, I am subject to a higher level of scrutiny than nonresidents, I think the answer is giving more latitude to the US residents, not additional restrictions on others. I agree with the above posts that a check on legality of entry is good.
I missed this on packing.org ---how did the answers play out? or do you have the link?
thanks
al

 

[rhinokrk]

The easy answer is yes. God gave all men the right to self-preservation.

The real life/legal answer… No, first off one would have to speak English at a high level. Who would decide/regulate the level of communication? Second, they would have to be in country legally (harder than it sounds to verify, SSNs are cheap in CA and AZ). Third, you would have to get rid of background checks for US Citizens (that will never happen), if you cannot check a legal alien there’s now way in Hates I would allow a background check on me.

 

[srbeck]

In the almost 10 years I've taught concealed carry classes, I've had Russians, Albanians, Turks, former Mexican Federales and many others. I know with the new application, more info is required of a non-US resident. With driver licenses available to many illegals as noted in national news recently, where does the responsibility fall? To the Instructor or the agency who issues the permit? If they buy the firearm legally from a dealer and pass the background check, and then mis-use it, who is responsible? I was involved directly in one and indirectly in another incident where people (both women) bought firearms and then used them to harm others. One was the person who shot up the Triad center a few years ago and the other shot her ex-boyfriend at (note the location) a lab on the UofU campus. I got a letter requesting my presence in court. After a period of time, it was plea-bargained and I didn't have to appear in court. Who knows what lurks in the minds of men and women? I could not have know that the woman was going from where I worked with her to the lab to start shooting at the guy who jilted her. I'm not a mind-reader. I hope this is food for thought and discussion.