Posting Window BUG

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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby tapehoser » Mon 24 Jan 2011 4:47 pm

Windows 7 and IE8 and I have the same issue. Will try Firefox and see what happens.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby My Trigger Guard » Tue 25 Jan 2011 9:06 am

Well I am not trying to start a big tech debate, its just when I build something web based I ussually make it completly cross compatible.

That and this is the forums for bugs so I figured I would let them know.

Yes on long post I do just use word.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby divegeek » Tue 25 Jan 2011 9:42 am

OSIAS wrote:Well I am not trying to start a big tech debate, its just when I build something web based I ussually make it completly cross compatible.

If you look at the HTML, CSS and Javascript, there's nothing in there that isn't perfectly standards-compliant. If it doesn't work in IE8, that's IE8's fault. We're supposed to be past the era of having to be bug-for-bug compatible with Microsoft's browsers. Microsoft even says so.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby QBall » Tue 25 Jan 2011 12:29 pm

I just assumed it was there to be annoying enough to "encourage" me to keep my posts shorter... :lol:
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby MichaelD » Tue 25 Jan 2011 12:32 pm

I noticed the same thing as OSIAS when using Win7 and IE8. Using XP SP3 and Firefox, it doesn't happen. I don't have a box with Win7 and Firefox loaded.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby Nicksp » Tue 25 Jan 2011 3:21 pm

I have this problem too with Win XP and IE8. Before blaming it all on MS, I post on other forums and have only encountered this on UCC.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby My Trigger Guard » Tue 25 Jan 2011 5:21 pm

divegeek wrote:
OSIAS wrote:Well I am not trying to start a big tech debate, its just when I build something web based I ussually make it completly cross compatible.

If you look at the HTML, CSS and Javascript, there's nothing in there that isn't perfectly standards-compliant. If it doesn't work in IE8, that's IE8's fault. We're supposed to be past the era of having to be bug-for-bug compatible with Microsoft's browsers. Microsoft even says so.


I can see you and me are going to get along great lol. I only posted this bug becuase it doesnt happen on any of the other forums I use or admin on. Do I use MS only products and am I a giant fan boy. Not really becuase I am a tech and I use what makes the most sense. So if I am going to host a website I will run Linux with Appache ussually over IIS, if I am going to be seroius about a business network that I am going to setup then I am definatly going to be grabbing some cisco routers and switches rather then linksys. If its a tech only network ya i could run everything linux, but if I am setting it up for say a bunch of doctors definatly going to go with MS.

Currently the reason why I am using Win 7 is becuase for 1 I really like it and and two I have a MSDN Corp login for free copies of anything MS related. One of the perks for being a tech and I dont want to have to fuss on my homebox with getting to technical or compatibility issues with entertainment and the things I do at home.

Anyhow to each his own and I have no problem if someone wants to use anything different, its not a major bug I just figured the site admins would want to know. However I think the approach of Blame MS IE 8 or just use something different seems fairly weak.

Would any of say...
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby divegeek » Tue 25 Jan 2011 5:25 pm

OSIAS wrote:However I think the approach of Blame MS IE 8 or just use something different seems fairly weak.

Why not blame it if it's broken?
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby My Trigger Guard » Tue 25 Jan 2011 5:30 pm

I think as several other people have stated, they dont have any problems on other forums, Nor do I on any of the forums I moderate or admin on.
Safe to say IE 8 is not broken. Does it have security holes yes, but so does others and thats not the topic were on.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby Crash » Tue 25 Jan 2011 5:42 pm

OSIAS wrote:I think as several other people have stated, they dont have any problems on other forums, Nor do I on any of the forums I moderate or admin on.
Safe to say IE 8 is not broken. Does it have security holes yes, but so does others and thats not the topic were on.


I don't think a comparison to other forums would disqualify the "IE is broke" theory. Who knows what crazy small bug has been hit upon in the complex world of parsing html and css. It could be that the html and css combination that happens to be in use in this forum exposes some strange bug that wasn't found in any QA testing. I would have to agree that IE is where the problem lies. We aren't simply talking about "when box X is displayed, it doesn't work right." There is a heck of a lot more going on there and comparing apples to oranges is no way to tell us that the apples aren't spoiled. I spend all my day at work chasing down application issues and code bugs and it is NEVER that simple.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby divegeek » Tue 25 Jan 2011 7:04 pm

Crash wrote:
OSIAS wrote:I think as several other people have stated, they dont have any problems on other forums, Nor do I on any of the forums I moderate or admin on.
Safe to say IE 8 is not broken. Does it have security holes yes, but so does others and thats not the topic were on.

I don't think a comparison to other forums would disqualify the "IE is broke" theory.

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Of course, it's also possible that IE isn't broken -- but the fact that Safari, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Konqueror and the BlackBerry browser all display the site properly strongly argues against it (I haven't tested Dillo, or Elinks). Frankly, the nature of the described bug argues against it as well. For that to be the proper behavior would require some rather specific Javascript code that is simply not present here. There is no code on this site that is deliberately causing such behavior, which means that it basically has to be a bug in IE's implementation of the <textarea> element. Why is it that the bug is triggered here and not on other sites? I can't say. One semi-unusual thing about this site is the presence of all of the animated smilies to the right of the posting area -- perhaps the redrawing for the animation of those is triggering a textarea redrawing bug?

If IE8 supported add-ons like the Firefox "Nuke Anything" add-on, you could test my theory by nuking all of the icons and then checking to see if it still happens. Or you could set up a proxy server and deliberately block all of those animated GIFs, and see if that does it. Or maybe it has nothing to do with those.

In any case, given that IE8 appears to be the ONLY browser that has the problem -- even previous versions of IE don't have it -- and given that the nature of the bug is something that the site is clearly not deliberately requesting the browser to do, I don't think there's any question but what it's an IE8 bug.

I'd suggest filing a bug report with Microsoft, except that they don't take bug reports unless you pay for a service contract. Yet ANOTHER reason not to use IE8.

Seriously, install Chrome or Firefox on your Windows 7. They're faster, less buggy, more secure and more featureful. Oh, and middle-clicking links works properly.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby Crash » Tue 25 Jan 2011 7:56 pm

This is a known bug with IE8. Google "ie8 textarea scrolling bug" and you will see more details than you ever wished for.

Apparently this is because the CSS is specifically using a percentage for the width of a textarea

This link has some good details and if an admin on this site is familiar with the CSS, the page details a simple workaround for this issue.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby Crash » Tue 25 Jan 2011 8:03 pm

Admins, looks like the following section in the CSS:

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#message-box textarea {
   font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
   width: 100%;
   font-size: 1.2em;
   color: #333333;
}


Should be changed to:

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#message-box textarea {
   font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
   width: 1000px;
   min-width:100%;
   max-width:100%;
   font-size: 1.2em;
   color: #333333;
}


If I understand the bug right, this should fix the issue that IE8 users are experiencing.

EDIT: Changed min-width and max-width from 98% to 100%.
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby divegeek » Tue 25 Jan 2011 8:34 pm

Crash wrote:
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#message-box textarea {
   font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
   width: 1000px;
   min-width:98%;
   max-width:98%;
   font-size: 1.2em;
   color: #333333;
}


If I understand the bug right, this should fix the issue that IE8 users are experiencing.

That's fairly ugly, setting a fixed width, then overriding it to force it to 98% of containing box width. I guess just setting width to 98% doesn't work around the bug? No, according to the page it doesn't. Any percentage causes the problem, unless there's also a fixed width.

The site you linked to provides another workaround for IE8 users -- activate "compatibility view".
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Re: Posting Window BUG

Postby Crash » Tue 25 Jan 2011 8:45 pm

divegeek wrote:
Crash wrote:
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#message-box textarea {
   font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
   width: 1000px;
   min-width:98%;
   max-width:98%;
   font-size: 1.2em;
   color: #333333;
}


If I understand the bug right, this should fix the issue that IE8 users are experiencing.

That's fairly ugly, setting a fixed width, then overriding it to force it to 98% of containing box width. I guess just setting width to 98% doesn't work around the bug? No, according to the page it doesn't. Any percentage causes the problem, unless there's also a fixed width.

The site you linked to provides another workaround for IE8 users -- activate "compatibility view".


Yeah. I meant to set that min and max-width to 100% Oops. Apparently in modern browsers, those take precedence over width, so avoids the bug. But old browsers will get a fixed width (not sure which ones are "modern" enough to recognize min and max.) Seems like any CSS bugs in IE get UGLY workarounds. :)
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