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Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2017 1:30 pm
by bagpiper
JoeSparky wrote:Question for Bagpiper and bill writers / sponsors. Could a conversion to normal permit be added by setting up an application and fee to be paid 3 months prior to turning 21 so a more seamless process for those with provisional to regular permits plans?
They already have the training and background checks done for the provisional permit. And then the current "renewal fee" on the proposed bill would make sense.


I need to visit with the sponsor about intent and desired effect about transitioning from the provisional to the regular permit. Ideally we avoid a lapse.

Charles

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Fri 03 Feb 2017 9:45 am
by DaKnife
It's hit KSL, if you ever comment there go correct some miss-information.
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=43063404&nid=148&title=bill-would-lower-age-for-concealed-carry-permits-to-18

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Wed 22 Feb 2017 12:43 pm
by bagpiper
This bill has cleared the House on a 63-12-0 vote and is now in the Senate.

In committee, Wheatley, M. was the only opposing vote.

In the full House the following Representatives voted against the bill:

Arent, P.
Briscoe, J.
Chavez-Houck, R.
Hemingway, L.
Hollins, S.
King, Brian S.
Kwan, K.
Moss, C.
Poulson, M.
Romero, A.
Weight, E.
Wheatley, M.


Charles

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Wed 22 Feb 2017 8:44 pm
by Infrared Sight
I looked around the nation for reciprocity and there have been instances where states lost reciprocity because they had also lowered the age from 21 to 18. Washington just dropped Tennessee for that reason even though majority of 18 year olds still can't carry in TN. Seven other states also won't recognize those 18-20 year olds either but still anyone 21 or over would be good to go. I would bet anything that the same thing would happen to our permit as well. For states that don't honor our permit I just don't go there plain and simple, but it's definitely good to have many options. It is nice to have reciprocity with other states no doubt and I am all for lowering the age to 18 as I believe it is the right thing to do, I just also want some thoughts on that.

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Wed 22 Feb 2017 9:19 pm
by gravedancer
Infrared Sight wrote:I looked around the nation for reciprocity and there have been instances where states lost reciprocity because they had also lowered the age from 21 to 18. Washington just dropped Tennessee for that reason even though majority of 18 year olds still can't carry in TN. Seven other states also won't recognize those 18-20 year olds either but still anyone 21 or over would be good to go. I would bet anything that the same thing would happen to our permit as well. For states that don't honor our permit I just don't go there plain and simple, but it's definitely good to have many options. It is nice to have reciprocity with other states no doubt and I am all for lowering the age to 18 as I believe it is the right thing to do, I just also want some thoughts on that.



That's specifically why this bill isn't altering our existing permit to lower the age. Instead, its creating a special, "provisional" permit for those in that age bracket. It would be a separate permit from the regular Utah one, so states could choose to honor it (or not) without any impact on those with the "normal" permit.

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Thu 23 Feb 2017 5:52 am
by Infrared Sight
gravedancer wrote: That's specifically why this bill isn't altering our existing permit to lower the age. Instead, its creating a special, "provisional" permit for those in that age bracket. It would be a separate permit from the regular Utah one, so states could choose to honor it (or not) without any impact on those with the "normal" permit.


Don't really know how I missed that while reading it. Guess I was really tired or something. That is really cool that they are going to leave our current permit alone for 21 and older. I really hope this passes as a couple of my coworkers would probably get one as they are below 21. Thanks for the clarification. :D :D

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2017 2:12 am
by DaKnife
Easy to miss since the media is trying to obfuscate or skim over that fact. Example: yesterday Doug Wright was pushing that it would impact reciprocity, even after Clark Aposhian tried to correct him he wouldn't let it go and ultimately declared that he was opposed to the bill simply because he couldn't see a need for either this or the Constitutional carry bill.

The opposition (most of whom don't care for any carry) are suddenly so concerned about reciprocity and high school students carrying to school despite the fact that this well written bill addresses both of those concerns by taking them out of play.

Re: 2017 HB198 Carry Permit for 18 to 21

PostPosted: Fri 24 Mar 2017 3:19 am
by DaKnife