Utah's Hogle Zoo

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Utah's Hogle Zoo

Postby GeneticsDave » Fri 18 Apr 2008 9:53 pm

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I have been thinking about going to the Zoo and found this on their web page (see number 8 ):
For the health and safety for our animals and guests, we do not allow the following items inside the Zoo:

1. Balloons of any kind
2. Bicycles (except for Zoo Security officers)
3. Tricycles (or similar such item that is powered by someone sitting on it)
4. Heely shoes, in-line skates, or roller-skates.
5. Skateboards
6. Scooters of any kind
7. Water guns or water balloons (water spray bottles are only allowed on hot days)
8. Weapons of any kind
9. Glass containers
10. Alcoholic beverages
11. Laser pointers
12. Gas grills or charcoal barbecues
13. Stickers or Confetti
14. Any other item deemed unsafe by Utah’s Hogle Zoo security

According to Wikipedia:
The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the city of Salt Lake City. It is supported through tax dollars and private donations raised by The Utah Zoological Association.

From what I have garnered online, Hogle Zoo receives (get this... every year!) approximately $1.4 million dollars from the state, and more than $500,000 from the Salt Lake County ZAP Tax annually. So, how can they say "no weapons of any kind"? They are funded by the State legislature and the City (ahem... just like public universities) and yet they can restrict CFP holders from carrying?

I would remind them that they are not in line Utah State Law and that this policy violates the law. I would like to ask them to revise their prohibited items list to eliminate this item or at least say "Illegal weapons of any kind" instead of "Weapons of any kind". I would propose writing letters to the Zoo and our Legislature about this.

The Zoo can be contacted here:
Holly Braithwaite, Community Relations Coordinator
Office: (801) 584-1729
Fax: (801) 584-1771
Email: [email protected]
Address:
Utah's Hogle Zoo
2600 Sunnyside Avenue
Salt Lake City, UT 84108
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Postby Car Knocker » Sat 19 Apr 2008 9:12 am

and yet they can restrict CFP holders from carrying?

They cannot restrict a CFP holder from carrying - period! The same goes for legal open carry.
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Postby GeneticsDave » Sat 19 Apr 2008 1:08 pm

Car Knocker wrote:
and yet they can restrict CFP holders from carrying?

They cannot restrict a CFP holder from carrying - period! The same goes for legal open carry.

Well, I just went and saw guys in red jerseys with SECURITY written on them. I bet that if you openly carried there, they would confront you and throw you out. Maybe someone is willing to give this a try?

Either way their policy is illegal as far as I understand. It needs to be changed.
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Postby Mazellan » Sat 19 Apr 2008 1:50 pm

I have loosely concealed there on several occasions. I am sure people knew i was carrying but nobody said a word. They would have to make a good case against you to win in a court suit. Maybe a letter to the AG office is in order.
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Postby mchlwise » Sun 20 Apr 2008 7:49 am

I believe the Zoo would be the same as any other place (like Trolley Square for example) that does not allow guns:

If they catch you, they can kick you out... but there will not be any legal ramifications whatsoever.
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Postby hamm » Sun 20 Apr 2008 8:56 am

mchlwise wrote:I believe the Zoo would be the same as any other place (like Trolley Square for example) that does not allow guns:

If they catch you, they can kick you out... but there will not be any legal ramifications whatsoever.


The zoo is different from Trolley Square in that it gets public funding. So technically they cannot kick you out for legally carrying there.
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Postby rufus » Mon 21 Apr 2008 11:15 am

I was pleasantly surprised the find the signage at the State Fair to read "illegal weapons of any kind". At least they have gotten the message.
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Postby arniejen » Wed 23 Apr 2008 9:00 am

My son and I spend the day there with our wives and his daughter a few weeks ago. Both he and I were armed the entire time (him a Glock 36, me a Glock 26). Concealed means concealed.
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Postby GeneticsDave » Wed 23 Apr 2008 12:06 pm

I guess my point was since the Zoo is publically funded, we shouldn't have to conceal. And just because nobody knows you are concealing, doesn't mean that their policy is OK, it still violates the law.
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Postby xmirage2kx » Wed 23 Apr 2008 1:44 pm

I am planning a trip there in a few weeks, We will see how far I get I guess.
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Re: Utah's Hogle Zoo

Postby UTOC-45-44 » Fri 23 May 2008 11:43 pm

GeneticsDave wrote:Image
I have been thinking about going to the Zoo and found this on their web page (see number 8 ):
For the health and safety for our animals and guests, we do not allow the following items inside the Zoo:

1. Balloons of any kind
2. Bicycles (except for Zoo Security officers)
3. Tricycles (or similar such item that is powered by someone sitting on it)
4. Heely shoes, in-line skates, or roller-skates.
5. Skateboards
6. Scooters of any kind
7. Water guns or water balloons (water spray bottles are only allowed on hot days)
8. Weapons of any kind
9. Glass containers
10. Alcoholic beverages
11. Laser pointers
12. Gas grills or charcoal barbecues
13. Stickers or Confetti
14. Any other item deemed unsafe by Utah’s Hogle Zoo security

According to Wikipedia:
The Hogle Zoo is currently owned by the city of Salt Lake City. It is supported through tax dollars and private donations raised by The Utah Zoological Association.

From what I have garnered online, Hogle Zoo receives (get this... every year!) approximately $1.4 million dollars from the state, and more than $500,000 from the Salt Lake County ZAP Tax annually. So, how can they say "no weapons of any kind"? They are funded by the State legislature and the City (ahem... just like public universities) and yet they can restrict CFP holders from carrying?

I would remind them that they are not in line Utah State Law and that this policy violates the law. I would like to ask them to revise their prohibited items list to eliminate this item or at least say "Illegal weapons of any kind" instead of "Weapons of any kind". I would propose writing letters to the Zoo and our Legislature about this.

The Zoo can be contacted here:
Holly Braithwaite, Community Relations Coordinator
Office: (801) 584-1729
Fax: (801) 584-1771
Email: [email protected]
Address:
Utah's Hogle Zoo
2600 Sunnyside Avenue
Salt Lake City, UT 84108



Yeah, State Preemption per 76-10-500 makes that "request" illegal

76-10-500. Uniform law.
(1) The individual right to keep and bear arms being a constitutionally protected right, the Legislature finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state. Except as specifically provided by state law, a citizen of the United States or a lawfully admitted alien shall not be:
(a) prohibited from owning, possessing, purchasing, selling, transferring, transporting, or keeping any firearm at his place of residence, property, business, or in any vehicle lawfully in his possession or lawfully under his control; or
(b) required to have a permit or license to purchase, own, possess, transport, or keep a firearm.
(2) This part is uniformly applicable throughout this state and in all its political subdivisions and municipalities. All authority to regulate firearms shall be reserved to the state except where the Legislature specifically delegates responsibility to local authorities or state entities. Unless specifically authorized by the Legislature by statute, [b]a local authority or state entity may not enact or enforce any ordinance, regulation, or rule pertaining to firearms.[/b]

BTW, I just Emailed AG Mark Shurtleff, Clark Aposhian, Mitch Vilos and Charles Hardy.

Hope to have this corrected ASAP.

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Re: Utah's Hogle Zoo

Postby GeneticsDave » Sat 24 May 2008 8:26 am

Thanks TJ!
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Re: Utah's Hogle Zoo

Postby rdoggsilva » Sat 24 May 2008 7:44 pm

We went there Mother's Day. Carried my 462 in my pocket. No problems carrying concealed.
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Re: Utah's Hogle Zoo

Postby GeneticsDave » Sat 24 May 2008 8:44 pm

rdoggsilva wrote:No problems carrying concealed.

:ROFL: Of course not... Had they known, they would have said you were violating their illegal policy and asked you to leave - probably without giving you your money back. :evil:
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Re: Utah's Hogle Zoo

Postby Outsider » Sat 24 May 2008 11:55 pm

Yeah, I was talking about this on OCDO and UTOC told me the same thing. I'm going there on Monday and maybe I'll call ahead and say, "Has your policy for no weapons allowed of any kind been updated in accordance with the Utah Code?" Something like that.

EDIT:
I also just sent an e-mail to the person listed at the beginning of this thread and will also be sending a mailed copy to her along with a Utah Gun Law Pamphlet. In my letter I also invited her to visit ODCO, ODCO - Utah Forum, and UCC.
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