The University of Utah

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The University of Utah

Postby GeneticsDave » Tue 06 Feb 2007 6:55 pm

I just can't believe that a state run organization, led by someone like President Young, is being controlled by the politics of fear!

Honestly, if and let me emphasize if someone were to commit a firearm related crime on the University of Utah campus, it is very unlikely to be a concealed carry permit holder. As you all know, and I am sorry I have to repeat it, CCP holders are subject to extreme scrutiny. I worked at a research lab at the University and only had to subject myself to a urinalysis test in order to administer controlled narcotics. The only other time (besides for my CCP) I was fingerprinted was when I became a certified EMT. So... it would stand to reason that the people that go though the hoops, background checks, and financial hurdles ($100+) to get a CCP are some of the most law abiding gun owners out there. Many citizens choose to carry illegally because they don't want to meet the aforementioned requirements.

So why, President Young, are you preventing us from being a safety resource to you, the staff and students? Those who want to commit crimes are not concerned with the laws of this state and will do as they will regardless of your 'gun rules'. If you try to prevent all guns on campus, all you do is provide a place for the criminally minded to prey on innocent law abiding citizens. However, if the same criminals knew that there was a possibility that the young, attractive female jogger might have a revolver in her sport bag, I can promise you he would think twice before accosting her, or any student/faculty on campus for that matter.

The standard rebuttal is that people who conceal carry pose a threat to those who do not. As if, by carrying a firearm in a concealed matter, someone poses a threat to me while I am speaking my mind. OK, I can see that in a twisted sort of logic. So... the logic behind this is as follows: despite the fact that less than 1% of the public has concealed permits, the very thought that someone listening to me, who doesn't agree with what I am saying, has me scared for my life. And somehow, without taking any action is preventing me from exercising my freedom of speech. The last time I looked at the Bill of Rights, it protected our, that's right, RIGHTS. It doesn't say anything about abating our paranoias. It was enacted to prevent people from censoring others. So, unless the person that is carrying a concealed weapon brandishes it and coerces me to stop speaking, they haven't violated any of my rights. So... unless a situation like that happens, which has not on the campus, I see no reason to take away another's rights to defend themselves in order to, as stated before, abate someone else's paranoia.

I personally know a few classmates that carry while on campus. I also know the reliability of campus police. I can tell you that I rest easier and am much more focused on my studies knowing that if something terrible were to happen in any of my lectures, there would be people there who could respond appropriately.

So, if you have an opportunity, please let President Young know how you feel before he convinces everyone on campus that a 'gun free campus' is a 'safe campus'.
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Postby Jeff Johnson » Tue 06 Feb 2007 7:10 pm

Hey, welcome to our forum. Glad to have you here!
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Postby GeneticsDave » Tue 06 Feb 2007 8:08 pm

Thank you for having me. I have been active on packing.org for awhile, but a friend just told me about this forum today - I am very glad he did. It's nice to have a place where we can discuss utah/gun related topics.
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Postby mr_blove » Thu 24 Apr 2008 8:35 pm

Forgive me for not having the facts to back this up but I thought when the U of U tried to ban guns they were shot down(pardon the pun) because they recieve federal funding there for they a private instution and could not create such rules. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Postby GeneticsDave » Thu 24 Apr 2008 8:48 pm

You are correct. This thread is over a year old and was written when the U was still taking action against firearms on campus despite the illegality of these actions. The U was forced to recognize concealed carry, but they are still holding that open carry is not allowed - so they are still on the boycott list (IMO).
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Postby Jeff Johnson » Thu 24 Apr 2008 10:03 pm

Bumping an old thread? :lol2:

Federal funding has nothing to do with it. The U of U is a state-owned organization and is subject to preemption.
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby Goosedyou » Tue 18 Nov 2008 6:32 pm

Something I have not been able to find... I know that you can CCW on campus, and techincally Rice Eccles Stadium is part of the Campus, but I had a friend tell me during the last UofU home game he saw people getting checked for weapons etc.

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Re: The University of Utah

Postby konigstigerii » Fri 21 Nov 2008 10:12 am

I carry up at the U, a few close buddies know I do, and it doesn't bother them... I think they like to try take classes I do.. in case something happens. I dunno anyone else that carries up there though. :(
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby jimtheguern » Fri 21 Nov 2008 12:53 pm

konigstigerii wrote:I carry up at the U, a few close buddies know I do, and it doesn't bother them... I think they like to try take classes I do.. in case something happens. I dunno anyone else that carries up there though. :(



What are you studying? There's quite a few of us over in engineering that carry.
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby PrimarchBentley » Fri 21 Nov 2008 4:19 pm

Seems engineering is the place to be if you're carrying at the U. Or if [auto-filtered]. Or if the reactor in the basement of MEB + cadavers in MEB = radioactive zombies. :nilly:

I'm up here at the U too (and will be carrying concealed when my paperwork goes through), but I think I'll be a bit more ambiguous about -where- due to my particular situation. :wink:
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby konigstigerii » Fri 21 Nov 2008 4:44 pm

jimtheguern wrote:
konigstigerii wrote:I carry up at the U, a few close buddies know I do, and it doesn't bother them... I think they like to try take classes I do.. in case something happens. I dunno anyone else that carries up there though. :(



What are you studying? There's quite a few of us over in engineering that carry.


Hmm Im in Mechanical engineering... guess i need to expand my social circle :lol:, but I only have one class that is in engineering department, MSE 2160, as of right now, the other two are not.
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby jimtheguern » Fri 21 Nov 2008 4:57 pm

Well if your ever around the CADE lab stop by and hi (I'm in the middle office)
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby konigstigerii » Sat 22 Nov 2008 12:35 am

k cool, I will if I need to go in there, I usually went in for intro to unix, but I'm done with that now, but i'm sure I'll make my way in there sometime for something lol. by the way is your name Jim? I don't want to walk in and be like "hey.... you from the forum..." :lol:
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby jimtheguern » Sat 22 Nov 2008 8:29 am

Yep that's me. Middle office sitting under the portrait of the queen :lol2:
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Re: The University of Utah

Postby apollosmith » Mon 24 Nov 2008 10:53 am

I went to the U vs. BYU game yesterday. Of course they had their 'weapons check' at the gate. I went through a line that ~18 year old girls that were pretty adamant about checking EVERYTHING - even had me empty my pockets. For fun, I pulled a spare magazine out of a pocket and showed it to them, then lifted my shirt, fully exposing my XD IWB on my hip and did a half circle. They didn't notice either of them. Oh well, I was kinda curious what they'd do about a CFP holder legally carrying there.

What do you think security would do if you were carrying with a CFP to a U of U event? I actually wish I would have forced the issue even more just to find out.
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