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Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby manithree » Thu 21 Jul 2016 6:18 am

According to CBS

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/36/?ftag=ACQ812ebde

For every 1,000 residents in Utah, there are 12.9 guns. That's 37,490 registered firearms among 2,900,872 people.


First page, and methodology here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/

Come on, people. We can do better!

But seriously, the methodology seems pretty flawed if it only counts NFA items.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby jfwright1955 » Thu 21 Jul 2016 6:57 am

That would seem very, very light but probably in line if only including NFA items. I don't think an accurate (+/- 15%) firearms count could ever be established for Utahns as I just don't see folks participating in a firearms survey and disclosing exactly how many firearms they own. Given it's not out of the realm for Utah gun enthusiasts to own multiple firearms I'd be surprised if it wasn't closer to a one-to-one ratio per Utah resident.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby DaKnife » Thu 21 Jul 2016 7:56 am

That list was debunked long ago, it's based on NFA registrations, since Utah and many states have no registry for most firearms the only registry that can be used is that of NFA items. I'm fairly sure my extended family on just my dad's side would account for 37,000 firearms. I'd bet the gun population of this state is higher than the human population.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby gravedancer » Thu 21 Jul 2016 11:08 am

manithree wrote:According to CBS

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/36/?ftag=ACQ812ebde

For every 1,000 residents in Utah, there are 12.9 guns. That's 37,490 registered firearms among 2,900,872 people.


First page, and methodology here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-heavily-armed-states-in-america/

Come on, people. We can do better!

But seriously, the methodology seems pretty flawed if it only counts NFA items.



That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby manithree » Thu 21 Jul 2016 11:51 am

gravedancer wrote:That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.


It certainly doesn't say what the authors think it does. I don't own any "registered" firearms.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby gravedancer » Thu 21 Jul 2016 2:35 pm

manithree wrote:
gravedancer wrote:That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.


It certainly doesn't say what the authors think it does. I don't own any "registered" firearms.



Me either. I mean really I dont own any firearms anymore, after a horrible boating accident a few years ago. But if I did, they wouldnt be registered as its not required by laws in this and other free states.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby althor » Fri 29 Jul 2016 7:43 am

gravedancer wrote:That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.


I'm not sure there is anything flawed about the data, just the conclusion.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby gravedancer » Fri 29 Jul 2016 2:38 pm

althor wrote:
gravedancer wrote:That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.


I'm not sure there is anything flawed about the data, just the conclusion.


I guess I could have said a flawed premise... that premise being that all guns are registered.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby althor » Fri 29 Jul 2016 3:33 pm

gravedancer wrote:
althor wrote:
gravedancer wrote:That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.


I'm not sure there is anything flawed about the data, just the conclusion.


I guess I could have said a flawed premise... that premise being that all guns are registered.


To be fair, the article didn't say that either. In fact, it makes a point to say that only those regulated by NFA 34 are included in the list.

As America reels from yet another mass shooting, inevitable questions resurface about guns laws and the nation's pervasive firearm culture. Here is a look at per capita weapons data, based on the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and 2013 data from the U.S. Census.

While the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record is the only accessible list of its kind, it is not all-inclusive. NFA firearms only include the categories regulated by The National Firearms Act of 1934: machine guns, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, suppressors, destructive devices like bombs and grenades, concealable devices with the ability to discharge a shot through the energy of an explosive, and any firearm with a bore over half an inch that has not been determined to have a legitimate sporting use.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby D-FIN » Fri 29 Jul 2016 3:47 pm

manithree wrote:
gravedancer wrote:That study is based on flawed data and therefore worthless.


It certainly doesn't say what the authors think it does. I don't own any "registered" firearms.


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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby steelhawk » Fri 29 Jul 2016 9:13 pm

I am pretty sure that Utah does better than 17th, but they aren't telling.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby D-FIN » Tue 02 Aug 2016 9:00 am

If DC is #2 then it is only because they know where all the guns are due to registry. I can see WY as #1 but did not know they had a registry, unless they are going by something else altogether.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby althor » Tue 02 Aug 2016 2:44 pm

All NFA '34 firearms are registered. Like the article said, these are machine guns, silencers, etc... I have two, both registered. As far as DC goes... I assume the feds have a lot of machine guns registered in DC.
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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby ingfam03 » Tue 02 Aug 2016 3:56 pm

I for one am fine with keeping the actual number in utah under wraps. The less the anti gun people know the better. It helps keep the thugs guessing to.

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Re: Utah is the 17th most heavily armed state

Postby ObiRich » Wed 03 Aug 2016 3:58 pm

:agree:
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