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Re: OC oops

Postby gskip33 » Tue 17 Jun 2014 7:46 pm

divegeek wrote:
manithree wrote:
gskip33 wrote:I never said don't OC or stop it. I OC occasionally.


True, that part of my response was more directed toward the OP.

PD's choose the policy that requires them to check every MWAG. I have never heard of a 911 or non-emergency dispatcher choosing to triage a MWAG call, or the PD choosing to follow up with the caller that their really was no reason to call.

I have. Several times.

Here's one anecdotal post from sg_pilot, who says a dispatcher friend from Washington County was trained not to send the police if the MWAG wasn't being threatening.

https://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/viewt ... t=#p133605

There have been many other examples we've heard of over the last few years where 911 dispatchers were being trained to handle OC correctly.


That surprises me. Honestly I'd say the only place I could see dispatch not sending an officer out was in an area where they just did not have a decent amount of officers like a really small town or out in the boondocks.
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Re: OC oops

Postby divegeek » Wed 18 Jun 2014 7:33 am

gskip33 wrote:That surprises me. Honestly I'd say the only place I could see dispatch not sending an officer out was in an area where they just did not have a decent amount of officers like a really small town or out in the boondocks.

Anywhere OC is common must eventually get to that point, or else all of their officers would always be out on MWAG calls. And it's really not difficult for the dispatcher to ask the caller for more details. "Is the man holding the gun in his hands? Is he doing or saying anything threatening? He's shopping for groceries? Well, sir, it is legal for people to carry firearms in our state. If he begins doing anything to threaten or intimidate anyone, please call back. Have a nice day."

I'd love to live in a place where OC is so common that no one bats an eye. Many, if not most, areas of Utah are pretty close to that.
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Re: OC oops

Postby gskip33 » Wed 18 Jun 2014 11:08 am

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gskip33 wrote:That surprises me. Honestly I'd say the only place I could see dispatch not sending an officer out was in an area where they just did not have a decent amount of officers like a really small town or out in the boondocks.

Anywhere OC is common must eventually get to that point, or else all of their officers would always be out on MWAG calls. And it's really not difficult for the dispatcher to ask the caller for more details. "Is the man holding the gun in his hands? Is he doing or saying anything threatening? He's shopping for groceries? Well, sir, it is legal for people to carry firearms in our state. If he begins doing anything to threaten or intimidate anyone, please call back. Have a nice day."

I'd love to live in a place where OC is so common that no one bats an eye. Many, if not most, areas of Utah are pretty close to that.


Oh I totally agree it'd be easy to verify if they were just OC'ing. I'm talking about the standard operating procedures that officers must (and therefore dispatchers) have to follow. If someone calls in a man with a gun you determine what he is doing. If he is a threat, and then you send either one officer to check the area or lots of officers to deal with a "threat". The officers (most likely the Sargeant) would get to decide if they want back up or not because they are the ones responding on the call.

And as to your question where "OC is so common no one bats an eye" I'd be okay with that too. And in that city no one would call it in. If someone does call it in to the police it suggests that something may be off, even if the caller is familiar with OC. Does that make sense?
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Re: OC oops

Postby metalgimp » Sat 28 Jun 2014 10:52 am

gskip33 wrote:
divegeek wrote:
gskip33 wrote:That surprises me. Honestly I'd say the only place I could see dispatch not sending an officer out was in an area where they just did not have a decent amount of officers like a really small town or out in the boondocks.

Anywhere OC is common must eventually get to that point, or else all of their officers would always be out on MWAG calls. And it's really not difficult for the dispatcher to ask the caller for more details. "Is the man holding the gun in his hands? Is he doing or saying anything threatening? He's shopping for groceries? Well, sir, it is legal for people to carry firearms in our state. If he begins doing anything to threaten or intimidate anyone, please call back. Have a nice day."

I'd love to live in a place where OC is so common that no one bats an eye. Many, if not most, areas of Utah are pretty close to that.


Oh I totally agree it'd be easy to verify if they were just OC'ing. I'm talking about the standard operating procedures that officers must (and therefore dispatchers) have to follow. If someone calls in a man with a gun you determine what he is doing. If he is a threat, and then you send either one officer to check the area or lots of officers to deal with a "threat". The officers (most likely the Sargeant) would get to decide if they want back up or not because they are the ones responding on the call.

And as to your question where "OC is so common no one bats an eye" I'd be okay with that too. And in that city no one would call it in. If someone does call it in to the police it suggests that something may be off, even if the caller is familiar with OC. Does that make sense?


There is another point to recognize: visitors. I mentioned in another post about this guy named Don who is so "out there" about guns that he places everyone in Utah in the "let's go shoot them all and then ask questions later" category. The point is that we'll always have "concerned citizens" that don't give a hoot what the Constitution actually says _and_ means. To them, the Constitution is minimally an "inconvenience" and maximally "a wholly irrelevant, archane parchment which should be put away in some museum as a curiousity of a period when people were not as 'enlightened' as we are today." In all cases, law enforcement has do deal with these... "people."

Getting back to my original post, today, I was working in a church service project. I've said it before: I take CC very, very seriously, and one way is that I carry all the time. At times it is inconvenient, and such was the case this morning. The side arm kept poking out and full showing. I sensed that some noticed it curiously--no more than that. One person, a friend, told me that it reminded him that he ought to get a CC!! How's that?
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Re: OC oops

Postby faydee » Sat 28 Jun 2014 1:27 pm

divegeek wrote:
Oh, and the solution to time-wasting calls is to educate the dispatcher to ask the right questions, to determine whether or not the person with the gun is behaving in a threatening manner before wasting officers' time.


We can't always do that cause of some of the sheep freaking out and insisting an officer check them out... trust me dispatchers hate those calls on normal open carriers as much as the officers do... sometimes we have no choice but to write them up... at least in my office/ dept

in the past 7+ years i dont know how many calls on that i have not written up cause i just educated the caller and then hung up on them after answering a few of their ?'s the # would be a lot of them
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Re: OC oops

Postby UtahJarhead » Mon 30 Jun 2014 5:21 am

What do you mean "write them up"?
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Re: OC oops

Postby gskip33 » Mon 30 Jun 2014 11:03 am

UtahJarhead wrote:What do you mean "write them up"?


I imagine he meant report the call.
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Re: OC oops

Postby faydee » Fri 04 Jul 2014 11:48 am

oh sorry... i dispatch, so write up a call for teh officers to respond on is what i meant
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Re: OC oops

Postby DaKnife » Thu 17 Jul 2014 7:30 pm

The police have no obligation or liability for not responding to such a call. Warren V DC established that. And based on a much worse crime than hoplophobia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia If the police had no liability after getting multiple calls while an actual crime was in progress, what liability do they have for not responding to a call about a person exercising his/her rights with no actual criminal intent or activity demonstrated. Lacking evidence of actual criminal intent or actions, the dispatchers should be trained to educate the caller, and not dispatch.
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Re: OC oops

Postby metalgimp » Mon 21 Jul 2014 4:31 pm

DaKnife wrote:... hoplophobia...

I looked up that word. I love it! Describes many, many people I know or have met.
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