Zacharia wrote:dewittdj wrote: Chances are that I won't personally know any of the 100+ shooters and therefore, can't ethically certify them until I witness them in a similar situation. I'm assuming UCC instructors who volunteer to assist are of the same mindset.
Thanks for the answer!
Unfortunately we're on two different pages. I think its the instructor's job to present the material; not pass judgement on who should be denied the right to a cfp even though they meet the state's requirements. If this part changes I would be happy to help promote the event and volunteer my time for picture taking, loan my guns for others to try out, etc... but in my mind this is a perfect example of the road to purgatory being paved with good intentions.
Best regards and I hope this service your providing helps arm more Utahns; I just really really hope it doesn't deny anyone the right to self protection.
Actually, we're in different books. This event is an example of a meritocracy. To attend, you need to meet certain requirements, e.g. "earn the right to attend." You don't have to attend. Not attending does not mean that you won't have other opportunities to get a permit, just different requirements, like, perhaps a fee for the training?
I, personally, don't feel that we should have to get a permit to exercise our constitutional right. It just happens to be the law of the State of Utah. I do feel that one should have proper training before operating dangerous machinery or tools to include driving a car and carrying a loaded firearm.
Instructors have obligations. This is not a job. We are volunteers incurring the cost of educating and equipping ourselves to provide the MINIMUM training required by the State of Utah prior to the issuance of a CFP. Some instructors charge high enough fees to quickly reimburse their original expenses. Others charge minimal fees in order to reach a larger audience and provide access to permits to those who wouldn't otherwise be afforded the opportunity. We are encouraged to add additional training and even a range portion. It is not a requirement to do so, only a suggestion on the part of the BCI CFP Instructor training staff.
We do not pass judgment on who should be granted or denied a CFP. Granted, if there is a student is in one of my classes who demonstrates that they are a threat to society, then I will not certify them. This does not deny them a CFP, it simply means that I haven't certified them. They can go elsewhere and get certified. I, on the other hand, will contact BCI and inform them of my concerns and provide them with the student data. It is up to BCI to determine whether or not to grant them a CFP.
I'm curious, how does a student, whom you do not know, demonstrate safe gun handling skills without a gun? Perhaps the same way as a driver's ed student would demonstrate safe driving skills without a car?
As a concealed firearm instructor you must make certain that all applicants who attend your course receive proper in-person training within the guidelines prescribed by law. The Bureau has collected the following information to assist you in preparing or adding to your course outline. This curriculum is the minimum training required by the Bureau and must be provide to all applicants for a concealed firearm permit as required in U.C.A. § 53-5-704(9). The Bureau supports instructors adding any additional firearms training and material, including a live fire exercise. If there are any questions, do not hesitate to contact the Bureau of Criminal Identification at 801-965-4445.
? Isn't that why we are all here 
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