[UtahJarhead]

Taking photos of public places is not an invasion of privacy. If you're buying a firearm from me, I'm going to have a photo of your license plate, and the overall view of the plate on the vehicle. You're buying something that will come back to me, if you ever do something stupid with it (or let it get stolen). The least you can do, is let me take a picture of your friggin' car.... :roll:

But, none of the buyers, to date, has ever been aware of the photos being taken. People here have been fore-warned; and get prior notice that that's how I do things. If you don't like it; don't buy from me.

I disagree with all that but your ultimatum is acceptable!

 

[UnderratedF00l]

If you don't like it; don't buy from me.

To me, this is the only part of your post that makes any sense.

 

[Guest]

Reading through this I got most of the answers that I need regarding the sell of my firearm that will be happening tomorrow. The only question that I don't think was specifically answered is this:

I am selling it to a gentleman who just got back from a tour of duty. He contacted me via a cell number with an out of state area code. I am inferring from posts in this thread that I can only legally sell the gun to Utah residents? Is this true? Should I ask just to see his military ID or would I need to see a Utah state ID?

I just turned 21 and this will be my first firearm sale and I'd like to make sure I've got my bases covered.

Any help is GREATLY appreciated.

 

[Snurd]

I would request a Utah state ID, if you are worried about it at all. If he doesn't want to show it then you can always back out. If for any reason you don't feel comfortable about it, walk away. :thumbsup:

 

[althor]

You don't have to know that he is a resident, you just can't know that he isn't.

 

[DaKnife]

The military ID will tell you nothing about his state of residence. And out of area code phone numbers mean nothing anymore, what with phone number portability, all the area code really tells you is where they were when they first got the number.

 

[Snaggle]

Some very valid arguments have been made and I would like to throw another one in the mix for consideration.

Every time I have made a transaction on KSL I request a written receipt with name and serial number of the firearm and name and DL # of the seller/buyer. Why you may ask? Most importantly, to establish a timeline of when I took or released possession of the firearm.

In the case of me making a purchase, there are several unknowns. First being, I do not know if the firearm is stolen. Second, I do knot know if it has been used in a crime and lastly, I want protection from the seller claiming it as stolen or missing. For a number of reasons, the firearm may be ran through NCIC by a law enforcement. It would be the start of a bad year if that firearm was to comeback linked to a crime or reported at stolen. In such a case, the receipt could go a long way in establishing when you took possession and who sold it to you. On top of the receipt, I also print the listing from KSL. Of course, this documentation would be presented by my lawyer in my defense.

Likewise, during a transaction where I am the seller, I take the same steps as I have no control over the firearm once it has left my possession. For all I know, the person I sold it to could give it to his restricted person or use it him/herself to commit a crime. If and when caught, law enforcement will be asking may be asking a few questions. It would again go a long way for your attorney to have the paperwork mentioned to mount a defense.

I know of one case with a family member in Seattle who bought a firearm from a fella who later reported it, alone with a few others, stolen to his insurance company. Several years later, my family member's wife became seriously ill and he needed to generate some serious cash for her treatment. He sold almost all of his firearms to an associate who owned a pawn shop. As per law, the pawn shop reported the transaction to local law enforcement who found the supposed 'stolen' firearm in their NCIC search. On top of all the other angst in his life, he had to deal with this problem. In the end, it worked out but it took over a year to get it all cleared up. Unfortunately, his wife passed from her illness.

At days end, we all have a different take on the best way to go about such transaction but wanted to give a little food for thought.

 

[morcey2]

Something else in the mix. I have a C&R FFL. If I sell a C&R gun, I have to have either a DL# or FFL# from the buyer to enter in my bound book. I also need at least a name and address when I buy one. That's a legal requirement for those, so I don't have a whole lot of choice on it.

Matt